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Old 09-24-07, 03:13 PM   #1
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If Floyd Landis is so honest and innocent then......

I find it amusing that the doper FL continues to bleat his innocence. I am in the process of reading his book, and find it amazing how in chapter 6 he makes it rather clear that he decided to hide is potential hip replacement from Phonak describing himself as "damaged goods." That's with an incredibly lucrative contract paying him $600K for the 2005 season. Of course he explains how much he respects and likes the team manager, Andy Rihs, but apparently not enough to be forthright with him. He then states in regards to the minor surgical procedure on his hip, "To keep the surgery a secret, Brent made me a fake removable cast for my perfectly fin right ankle. If anyone asked why I was on crutches, the story was that I had twisted my ankle, and that I'd be fine in a couple of days."

Gee, he doesn't lie that much. LOL. In conclusion, the alleged man is a lying sack of $hit, and I hope he never appears at the start line of another bicycle race in his miserable, lying life! Now do you want to know how I really feel about this?
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I find it amusing that the doper FL continues to bleat his innocence. I am in the process of reading his book, and find it amazing how in chapter 6 he makes it rather clear that he decided to hide is potential hip replacement from Phonak describing himself as "damaged goods." That's with an incredibly lucrative contract paying him $600K for the 2005 season. Of course he explains how much he respects and likes the team manager, Andy Rihs, but apparently not enough to be forthright with him. He then states in regards to the minor surgical procedure on his hip, "To keep the surgery a secret, Brent made me a fake removable cast for my perfectly fin right ankle. If anyone asked why I was on crutches, the story was that I had twisted my ankle, and that I'd be fine in a couple of days."

Gee, he doesn't lie that much. LOL. In conclusion, the alleged man is a lying sack of $hit, and I hope he never appears at the start line of another bicycle race in his miserable, lying life!
Now do you want to know how I really feel about this? : D
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The flags start going up when people react too strongly about things. I suspect some projecting going on.
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Let's face it, lying to an employer isn't that rare. If you haven't done it, I believe your sainthood is on the way.

Be careful to make accusations you can stand up to.
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Easy up there on the high horse.
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While we're on the subject of ad-hoc accusations... I hear FL has two Celine Dion CD's. Hang the SOB!!
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If only learning the truth of the matter was as simple as you make it out to be. What else do your revelations tell you about the world? Never mind...I don't really care.
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Yikes. 9 replies and only one mildly supportive of the skydiver.
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None of it matters. Right or wrong, innocent or guilty, Floyd's done. NEXT!
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Yikes. 9 replies and only one mildly supportive of the skydiver.
skydive does make a good point- a leopard cant hide his spots. to someone of a truly upright character, the idea to lie would simply never arise. let alone to fabricate a story and sport a fake cast- all to deceive and hide a flaw.

no one just off and tells a whopper of a lie. there's always a precedent, or a known proclivity toward such behavior way before.
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skydive does make a good point- a leopard cant hide his spots. to someone of a truly upright character, the idea to lie would simply never arise. let alone to fabricate a story and sport a fake cast- all to deceive and hide a flaw.

no one just off and tells a whopper of a lie. there's always a precedent, or a known proclivity toward such behavior way before.

or they start with a little lie and get away with it. Then they do it again and gradually become more and more complacent thinking they can get away with a bigger one...and then in the end they make a fool of themselves.
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IF skydive is correct then we should disbelieve Landis and his claim of innocence.

Using the same logic (leopard/spots) then we should also generally distrust the LNDD lab that has repeatedly screwed up their protocols (in this case and others) and is the entire basis for the accusations.

We are then left with nothing to trust as both the accusations and the denials are untrustworthy. How then do you determine which liar(s) are lying this time?
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Hiding injuries and playing hurt are pretty common things in sports, he saying "I'm fine, put me in coach". Athletes do not like to give up their spot for fear of losing their spot for good. There is a common saying about the NFL meaning "Not For Long", it can be applied to just about every sport.
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Be careful to make accusations you can stand up to.

Oh so true, but I'm not the incredibly pure person that numbnuts claims he is!
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Easy up there on the high horse.
Sorry, being a lying, cheating doper is okay. I apolgize, and would like to know the brand of Koolaid that you swill.
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IF skydive is correct then we should disbelieve Landis and his claim of innocence.

Using the same logic (leopard/spots) then we should also generally distrust the LNDD lab that has repeatedly screwed up their protocols (in this case and others) and is the entire basis for the accusations.

We are then left with nothing to trust as both the accusations and the denials are untrustworthy. How then do you determine which liar(s) are lying this time?
If the case was based only on the labs and their obvious issues, Floyd would have been vindicated. However, when you have an A and B test that come in positive and then a test that has not been considered to be one in doubt show obvious exogenous testosterone, then methinks there is a raging fire where there was simply smoke. Anyway, the list of dopers who proclaim their innocence includes virtually everyone caught. I have a lot of respect for David Millar - he faced the truth like a man unlike Vino, and Jan, and Hamilton, etc., etc., etc. Oh and yes, numbnuts, er ah... Landis.
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skydive does make a good point- a leopard cant hide his spots. to someone of a truly upright character, the idea to lie would simply never arise. let alone to fabricate a story and sport a fake cast- all to deceive and hide a flaw.

no one just off and tells a whopper of a lie. there's always a precedent, or a known proclivity toward such behavior way before.
OK, let's do one of those "here comes reality" things. Everybody lies. You lie, I lie, the first thing a kid learns to say is a lie. The person who said "Native Americans didn't have a word for 'lie'" was lying. The first time you wanted to get in a girl's knickers, you lied, probably many times.

Let's place any of you of a truly upright character in front of a six hundred thousand dollar decision, and see if you don't fake an ankle cast.

Not saying FL did it, or didn't, just saying that a previous lie means all he speaks are lies is bull**** of the highest order. With that path of logic, I can say you doped Landis in his sleep.
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Sorry, being a lying, cheating doper is okay. I apolgize, and would like to know the brand of Koolaid that you swill.
why don't you lay off the little blue pills, and go back to the bingo hall.

nobody here is interested.



btw: Kool-Aid is a brand.

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Already, this thread has become a trainwreck, or rather, a bikewreck.
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