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    To TT, or not to TT, that is the question.

    Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
    The pain and misery of outrageous position,
    Or to take arms against a mass of men,
    And by opposing, beat them?

    The above slaughter of Hamlet, from memory and then liberally edited, suggests that I am considering a time trial.

    The question is whether or not I should actually do the TT as part of a P1/2 TT/Crit/RR/Crit end of the year series. The TT in question is 10 miles long, and damn near pan flat. I have no aero equipment. I am power deficient compared to my peers. But, the series is an omnium. 1st place in each race gets 20pts, 20th place gets 1pt, in all of the races except the RR, which is double points.

    So, should I save my matches for the remaining three races, which are the next day, then both days the following weekend? Should I spare myself the mental beatdown that would follow closely on the heels of such an attempt on my part? Or should I just go for it, and see how badly I do in fact suck?
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    If you think you have a shot at placing well overall without points from the TT than I say dont do it. Otherwise why not? gonna have to start doing them sometime.

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    Do it.
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    I would think the odds that you would score a point in a dead flat TT at the Pro 1/2 level without the requiste aero equipment are not good.

    Thus if the goal is to place well in the omnium, I'd skip the TT, and focus your efforts where your odds are better.

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    Sounds like if your goal is Omnium points, forget the TT. If you want some practice at the pacing...

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    Oh I know that I have to start doing them some time, and I'm well aware that I'll get spanked regardless of what I roll up to the starting line on. I have plans to build up a frame with aerobars to work on my position this winter, and will be buying some wheels and new chainrings/cassette to go with it this spring. Probably the FSA 54/42 combo with a straight block, and a pair of Bonty carbons with a PT rear.

    I just don't want to get what little confidence I have sucked out of me before the "real" racing starts.
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    Do it.
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    Uh .. I am cat 5 but cannot imagine that a 10 mile race of maybe , what 25 minutes? is going to burn any matches that wont be restocked in 24 hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curiouskid55 View Post
    Uh .. I am cat 5 but cannot imagine that a 10 mile race of maybe , what 25 minutes? is going to burn any matches that wont be restocked in 24 hours.
    I was mainly referring to the mental toll an ass kicking of 2:00+ magnitude over that distance would take on my psyche...

    I generally do about that much total volume at race pace the day before a race anyways.
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    well, a good ass kicking could give you some motivation for winter workouts. It will also give you a result to compare to after you have done extensive training on the off season.

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    You can't borrow my TT rig, don't even ask.

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    If you don't do the TT, and do well enough in the other races that a point or two were a deciding factor...would you hate yourself for not trying the TT? It could happen.

    If nothing else, you could at least learn how much ground you need to make up in order to be competitive next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curiouskid55 View Post
    Uh .. I am cat 5 but cannot imagine that a 10 mile race of maybe , what 25 minutes? is going to burn any matches that wont be restocked in 24 hours.
    You have a lot to learn about recovery. I can burn a whole book of matches in 1/2 a mile (Jester).

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    Don't like'em, no sir. TTs hurt for a long, long time. I admire and respect TT riders, but not for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post
    You have a lot to learn about recovery. I can burn a whole book of matches in 1/2 a mile (Jester).
    But that's just cause you're really old right?

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    Correct me if I am wrong, but don't omniums require you completing all stages in order to be considered for placing? Unless of course you mean you would soft pedal the whole way...

    My personal feeling is that TTs always open my legs up more for later racing. I would do it. It just so happens that you might garner a few points for a top 20.

    If a 10 mile TT is going to sap your legs as some have suggested, you are not ready at all. However, as you say, it really is more of the mental bashing. Remember, even with aero equip you are likely to get beaten (you said you don't have the power of your peers) so don't sweat it. The TT is about racing against yourself. Do your best, be proud. You might just garner some points (while at the same time beating up on other Merckx style riders!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
    I would think the odds that you would score a point in a dead flat TT at the Pro 1/2 level without the requiste aero equipment are not good.

    Thus if the goal is to place well in the omnium, I'd skip the TT, and focus your efforts where your odds are better.
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    Well I did mention I was still a 5.

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    Where's the race?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWJODonnell View Post
    Correct me if I am wrong, but don't omniums require you completing all stages in order to be considered for placing? Unless of course you mean you would soft pedal the whole way...
    No, timed stage races require completion, but not omniums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElJamoquio View Post
    No, timed stage races require completion, but not omniums.
    Interesting. I have only done a few omniums (omnii?) but they did require stage completion. Good to know though...I will just show up and try to spank the TT and leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curiouskid55 View Post
    Uh .. I am cat 5 but cannot imagine that a 10 mile race of maybe , what 25 minutes? is going to burn any matches that wont be restocked in 24 hours.
    You are correct. If you complete the 10 miles in 25 minutes you will be fine the next day. I'm no hot shot, but I do better than that on my road bike when I do my "moderate to hard" sustained effort days for way more than 10 miles. Now make that closer to 20 minutes for 10 miles (not that I could do it!) and you have a much different story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWJODonnell View Post
    Interesting. I have only done a few omniums (omnii?) but they did require stage completion. Good to know though...I will just show up and try to spank the TT and leave.
    Perhaps it's up to the race organizer, then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWJODonnell View Post
    Interesting. I have only done a few omniums (omnii?) but they did require stage completion. Good to know though...I will just show up and try to spank the TT and leave.
    Two types. Some of them require that you complete X of Y total stages to be eligible for anything (total, not in any order), or some are just based on your total points, at whichever races you choose to show up at.

    The Tour de 'Toona is a race that requires riders to race all stages to be eligible for omnium points, but you could show up and only do the weekend races, skipping the Friday race, if you so desired. SuperWeek, on the other hand, is a pure omnium, in that it offers a prize list to whoever earns the most cummulative points, regardless of what races you do.

    This is the second kind.
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    I raced at least 20x annualy from 1993-1999 and never considered doing TT's. Now that I'm discovering them I regret that. It's a real objective measure of your riding mojo vs. your peers that takes out the variables/tactics of mass start racing, and that's something you do want to know about as a racer. But forget that, I thought it would suck, but amazingly, it's really a lot of FUN, which has been a bit mind blowing for me. It didn't sound like fun to get on an incredibly uncomfortable bike and put myself in the hurt locker for 20-60 minutes, but it is. Some are sicker than others of course.

    Until you either set up your road bike specifically for TT's or get a TT bike, you'll never know if it's for you. That's quite an obstacle on top of everything else, so it's hardly surprising so many racers never try. I never did. Better late than never.

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