Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

"The 33"-Road Bike Racing We set this forum up for our members to discuss their experiences in either pro or amateur racing, whether they are the big races, or even the small backyard races. Don't forget to update all the members with your own race results.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 10-31-07, 11:21 AM   #1
EvilGoodGuy
Avid Cyclist
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Bikes: 2009 Cervelo S1
Posts: 150
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Weight Management

In the off season, how does your weight fluctuate? Do you try to maintain, allow some gain or lose? For next season, I plan to drop 7lbs (from 162 to 155). Last season, I dropped 16lbs (178 to 162) during the first part of the season (April to June). I think it adversly affected my recovery from training session to session. This year, I thought I would try to lose it during the off season. When do you make weight adjustments?
EvilGoodGuy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-07, 11:25 AM   #2
cmh
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Portland, OR
Bikes:
Posts: 2,515
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I think losing the weight in the off season is definitely the better plan for a bike racer. Personally, I am at a good weight. I may gain and then lose 3-4 pounds between Sept and Feb, but for the most part I'll stay the same.
cmh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-07, 11:30 AM   #3
wfrogge
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Bikes:
Posts: 3,917
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
The only time to lose weight is during the off-season before you start training above your LT. Cut back on the food intake by 500 calories per day and workout every day even if its just a light spin on the bike and or light weight lifting.
wfrogge is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-07, 12:00 PM   #4
ericm979
Senior Member
 
ericm979's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Santa Cruz Mountains
Bikes:
Posts: 6,170
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I get up to 7-8% body fat during winter, and aim for as low as I am comfortable with (5-6%) for my most important race in september. I don't want to maintain that low a body fat all year.

While I agree that it'd be better to lose weight only in the winter, that doesn't seem to work for me in practice. I don't think that it hurts to lose weight during the season as long as you are doing it gradually so you are losing fat and not muscle.
ericm979 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-07, 12:46 PM   #5
carpediemracing
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Tariffville, CT
Bikes: Tsunami Bikes
Posts: 14,575
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 65 Post(s)
I was told that losing weight in the off season is the best time to do it. After thinking about it for a few years, I agree. You deal with the weakness and irritability in the off season, not when you're trying to train. It's easy to gain strength after losing weight. It's slower to lose weight while gaining strength.

Knowing and doing that are two different things.

A couple other things I heard.
1 pound is lost every 5 hours of riding (approx 600 cal/hour) with no additional food.
500 cal/day deficiency means losing 1 pound a week.

This means if you eat 500 cal less a day and ride an hour a day for 5 days in the week (at a very reasonable pace) you'll lose 2 pounds a week. We have 8 weeks left in the year - that could be 16 lbs.

Personally I have a hard time losing weight until I start doing long rides (2+ hours for me). My portion control and food tracking isn't very good. Put me on a bike for 3-5 hours a day and after a week or two the weight starts to melt right off. I hope to adjust my weight in the next two months. If not, Jan and Feb will really suck.

overweight,
cdr
carpediemracing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-07, 12:53 PM   #6
curiouskid55
Senior Member
 
curiouskid55's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: SoCal Baby
Bikes: o5 Specilized roubaix Comp, 06 Tequilo
Posts: 2,137
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Trianing for speed and training for weight loss (fat) are just about opposite techniques. Training for aerobic capacity and training for weight loss (fat) are very similar. Weight loss is optimised doing aerobic activities.
curiouskid55 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-07, 12:55 PM   #7
caloso
Packfodding 3
 
caloso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Sacramento, California, USA
Bikes: Ridley Excalibur, Gazelle Champion Mondial, On-One Pompino, Specialized Rock Hopper
Posts: 33,720
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 96 Post(s)
It's tough. I was nice and light a month ago, promptly gained 6 pounds with a trip to SC (all that damned fried food and no bike), and now it's candy and pie season. I'd like to be 4 or 5 pounds lighter by January 1, with another 4 to go after that. We'll see.
caloso is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-07, 01:25 PM   #8
*new*guy
ambassador of good will
 
*new*guy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: NOVA
Bikes: many.
Posts: 2,019
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
gaining *good* weight is tough, too.

I'm hoping to hit 200 by February. 185 now.
*new*guy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-07, 01:45 PM   #9
merlinextraligh
pan y agua
 
merlinextraligh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Jacksonville
Bikes: Wilier Zero 7; Merlin Extralight; Co-Motion Robusta; Schwinn Paramount; Motobecane Phantom Cross; Cervelo P2; Motebecane Ti Fly 29er; Calfee Dragonfly Tandem
Posts: 29,126
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 19 Post(s)
^ Unless you're 7'0" or you're a track sprinter, you're in the wrong forum.
merlinextraligh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-07, 01:47 PM   #10
NomadVW 
部門ニ/自転車オタク
 
NomadVW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Yuma, AZ
Bikes: 2005 Specialized Roubaix Elite, 2005 Specialized FSR XC Comp, 2008 Blue T16, 2009 Blue RC8, Fetish Cycles Road Bike
Posts: 3,172
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I'm just trying to hold on to what I've got, and that's proving very difficult right now.
__________________
Envision, Energize, Enable
NomadVW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-07, 02:04 PM   #11
botto 
.
 
botto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 40,362
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
One of my greatest talents is gaining weight. I've been in good form for the past month.
botto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-07, 02:21 PM   #12
voltman
It is fantastic.
 
voltman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: The OC
Bikes: 05 Specialized Allez Elite; 06 Fuji Team Pro
Posts: 7,977
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by ericm979 View Post
I get up to 7-8% body fat during winter, and aim for as low as I am comfortable with (5-6%) for my most important race in september. I don't want to maintain that low a body fat all year.

While I agree that it'd be better to lose weight only in the winter, that doesn't seem to work for me in practice. I don't think that it hurts to lose weight during the season as long as you are doing it gradually so you are losing fat and not muscle.
Pics?
voltman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-07, 02:23 PM   #13
damocles1
The mods changed this...
 
damocles1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 2,346
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Changes in diet make a giant difference. Not only eating less, but eating quality foods. In the winter, I eat alot of fruit, nuts and cereals. Kashi has a new cereal out called 'Vive' that's high fiber and probiotic. I've lost a bit of weight since trying a probiotic diet, but I feel much better. All of the bad stuff that sits in your digestive tract is a root cause of many things. Cleaning yourself out aids digestion and helps you to lose weight.

And self-control is a big thing. I'm not saying not to eat a piece of pie, but make it a small piece and only have one...

Stop drinking beer...empty calories
Stop drinking soda...empty calories

I actually practice no calories from fluids during the winter months...
damocles1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-07, 02:47 PM   #14
ldesfor1@ithaca
Senior Member
 
ldesfor1@ithaca's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Newton Ctr. MA
Bikes: 2 cdale Caad7. Scatantte CX/winter bike. SS commuter.
Posts: 2,109
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
yes, this is what I'm doing also. I raced this season at 192cm (6'3.5") and 208-210 lbs and 12-13 % BF.
I'm trying to get to 190-195 (9% BF) before the new year. Over the past 2 moths I've whittled down about 6-7 pounds. Hopefully my biggest race of the year I'll be at 185 in sept.

Trying to cut calories durring periods of hard training is not my idea of fun. I need the food energy to recover.

For me, goal setting is a huge help. I set goals of 3 pounds of wt. loss every 2 weeks (or 6 lbs per month) and these smaller goals have helped to keep my motivation high. I think about these goal every time I want a scone with my coffee or ice cream at night. I also keep myself thinking about whay being lighter will help me to be a better bike racer. Thoughts of tearing up the cat 4's this spring/summer keep me on track.

I get a free calorie monitoring program from work called: calorieking.com and it has helped me to see how much crap I was eating, particularly at night. now I plan a late meal (eggs w/veggies, e.g.) instead of ice cream or beer or bar food.

Tea drinking and gum chewing are very helpful too at breaking my habitual eating durring the night time.

I'm also running 2X weekly and lifting weights twice a week to help with fat burning.

Good luck on you wt. loss and the increaced power to weight ratio that accompanies.

-Leo

Last edited by ldesfor1@ithaca; 10-31-07 at 02:55 PM.
ldesfor1@ithaca is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-07, 03:44 PM   #15
Dubbayoo
Senior Member
 
Dubbayoo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Atlanta
Bikes: Pedal Force QS3
Posts: 7,681
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I drop 6-8 lbs in season simply because I'm riding more. Its not really a plan; thats just the way it works out.
Dubbayoo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-07, 03:52 PM   #16
botto 
.
 
botto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 40,362
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by damocles1 View Post
Changes in diet make a giant difference. Not only eating less, but eating quality foods. In the winter, I eat alot of fruit, nuts and cereals. Kashi has a new cereal out called 'Vive' that's high fiber and probiotic. I've lost a bit of weight since trying a probiotic diet, but I feel much better. All of the bad stuff that sits in your digestive tract is a root cause of many things. Cleaning yourself out aids digestion and helps you to lose weight.

And self-control is a big thing. I'm not saying not to eat a piece of pie, but make it a small piece and only have one...

Stop drinking beer...empty calories
Stop drinking soda...empty calories

I actually practice no calories from fluids during the winter months..
.
any relation to macro-psychotic?
botto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-07, 04:28 PM   #17
pedalada
nem vem que nao tem
 
pedalada's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: bihemispherical
Bikes: empella bonfire, fuji team sl, orbea starship, pedal farce
Posts: 131
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I got married last spring and my new wife has started baking bread. This is going to be a tough winter.
pedalada is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-07, 04:32 PM   #18
botto 
.
 
botto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 40,362
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by pedalada View Post
I got married last spring and my new wife has started baking bread. This is going to be a tough winter.
work it off with the new wife.
botto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-07, 05:06 PM   #19
caloso
Packfodding 3
 
caloso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Sacramento, California, USA
Bikes: Ridley Excalibur, Gazelle Champion Mondial, On-One Pompino, Specialized Rock Hopper
Posts: 33,720
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 96 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by pedalada View Post
I got married last spring and my new wife has started baking bread. This is going to be a tough winter.
I married an excellent baker too. It's a killer.
caloso is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-07, 05:33 PM   #20
wfrogge
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Bikes:
Posts: 3,917
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dubbayoo View Post
I drop 6-8 lbs in season simply because I'm riding more. Its not really a plan; thats just the way it works out.
You should be riding less in season.
wfrogge is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-07, 05:34 PM   #21
ericm979
Senior Member
 
ericm979's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Santa Cruz Mountains
Bikes:
Posts: 6,170
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by ldesfor1@ithaca View Post
Trying to cut calories durring periods of hard training is not my idea of fun.
It's not really cutting calories; more like the difference between eating a lot and eating a whole lot. When I am training a lot (and for me that's ~16 hours a week, not that much compared to some people here), I'm eating a big breakfast, mid-morning snack, lunch, afternoon snack, a healthy sized dinner, and maybe some munchies. And food during rides of over two hours. If I don't eat quite so much for dinner, I lose weight.

Of course you should do what works for you.
ericm979 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-07, 05:37 PM   #22
Demit
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 318
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I don't believe in taking a season off but I find it easier to loose weight when I'm off the bike.
Demit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-07, 05:54 PM   #23
damocles1
The mods changed this...
 
damocles1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 2,346
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by botto View Post
any relation to macro-psychotic?
No, it's the opposite of the amateur-biotic diet...
damocles1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-07, 06:41 PM   #24
patentcad
Peloton Dog
 
patentcad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Chester, NY
Bikes: 2013 Scott Foil, 2014 Scott Addict, 2008 Cervelo P3 (TT), 2015 Scott Scale 700SL MTB
Posts: 59,454
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 60 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by NomadVW View Post
I'm just trying to hold on to what I've got, and that's proving very difficult right now.
Oh that's rough Nomad. Give us a break. I eat one friggin Pizza in November and I gain 5lbs.
patentcad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-07, 11:45 PM   #25
grebletie
NorCal Climbing Freak
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 872
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Currently not planning on changing much. No gain, no loss is the goal for the off-season. Training is pretty heavy, though, so that shouldn't be a problem. Things would be different if I were on a reduced-hour schedule somewhere in the frigid north.

I will try to lower my bf% a bit, though. Through assiduous tracking of intake and outtake, a 200-300 calorie deficit per day ought to do the trick over time, without really being noticeable or difficult to achieve.

A bit surprising, actually, tracking intake. I've literally been eating all day, and am at about 3000 calories. I still need to eat another 800 to make it 300 below maintenance.
grebletie is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:24 AM.