35+ Masters or Cat 5 ?
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35+ Masters or Cat 5 ?
Ok...looking to do some races this upcoming year. From what I can tell, I have 2 choices as to which to race as. A cat 5 or a Masters. What can you tell me as far as each category?
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Have you raced before? 35+ masters can be fast as hell. Cat 5 would be a much better starting point.
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Masters will probably shell you as you will be mixed with ct 1-5 if you are lucky. If you are unlucky, you will not be allowed to race masters as many masters races only allow masters if you are cat 1-4. Race Cat 5, upgrade to a cat 4, then decide.
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35+ is anything from a 2/3 pace to a Cat 4 pace. Cat 5 is really where you should begin. 35+ is generally safer however, more experienced riders, less boneheads. But bike racing means crashes regardless.
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If you have the option to race Masters 35+ 4/5 I would go that route. If not cat 5 would be the most sensible choice. 35+ open is a brutal race.
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Cat 5. Get some experience in crits. After you have upgraded to cat4 and become competitive, then you should consider doing a few masters races.
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Would prefer if you started in cat5's please.
Look forward to having you join us after you get the requisite 10 races under your belt.
Until then, best of luck.
Look forward to having you join us after you get the requisite 10 races under your belt.
Until then, best of luck.
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Unless you had some crazy natural talent, or you had been a 2 in a previous life, you'd get blown out the back in a M35+ within 5 laps. Especially if they're Cat1/2/3, like most are around here.
That's not bringing you down, that's just the truth.
My friend's old man and his teammate, both M45+ dudes, have crushed the spirits of many a young college boy out to his first Wednesday Night Worlds, over the years. By that same token, they've also taught me most of what I know about riding and racing. Wiley old f***ers.
That's not bringing you down, that's just the truth.
My friend's old man and his teammate, both M45+ dudes, have crushed the spirits of many a young college boy out to his first Wednesday Night Worlds, over the years. By that same token, they've also taught me most of what I know about riding and racing. Wiley old f***ers.
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+1, though I have done at least one race which had 35+ open as the only option for that age group, and it wasn't too bad -- I came in smack in the middle, and I was only a cat 5.
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USCF races are rarely open in the 35+ ranks. Some promoteros do a 35+ Cat4/5 race and the other is 35+ 1/2/3.
Masters is filled with old guys who have raced a long time and a lot were at the top of the pile at one point. They are very competitive and there is a lot of yelling and screaming. Too much testosterone for some. I like it because I listen to the yelling, laugh in their general direction and then sit on them until the finish.
Masters love it when you suck wheel and then beat them in a sprint.
Masters is filled with old guys who have raced a long time and a lot were at the top of the pile at one point. They are very competitive and there is a lot of yelling and screaming. Too much testosterone for some. I like it because I listen to the yelling, laugh in their general direction and then sit on them until the finish.
Masters love it when you suck wheel and then beat them in a sprint.
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Folks in 35+ would probably be more aware of that whole falling = hurt thing that so many Cat 5 types seem to be ignorant of when they go careening about the place.
But notes re: speed above are certainly true
But notes re: speed above are certainly true
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Scene: Central Park, March Spring Series 35+ race, March of 1995 or so. My pal Steve Tinston (Steve is 53 now, in the 1990's he was the NY State 40+ TT champ for 3 straight years, so he is fast) is in a break with the notorious Trevor (don't know his last name) from Long Island. The two of them are away for about thirty minutes. With about 4 miles to go (the Central Park course is 4-5 laps of a 6 mile circuit, can't recall which) Trevor turns to Steve and this exchange takes place:
Trevor: 'What's your name?'
Steve: 'I'm Steve.'
Trevor: 'Steve, it's been nice riding with you, but I have to go now.'
At this point Trevor launches and drops Steve completely to solo in for the victory, Steve did hold off the peloton for 2nd in that race. When there are guys in the field who can summarily dust the NY 40+ TT champ, those are fast guys. Trevor did the exact same thing to me and my breakaway in a Brooklyn race around that time. Seven man break, Trevor launches on the little hill in Prospect with 2.5 miles to go, nobody in our group could get his wheel. We did hold off the peloton however.
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TT riders not always the best Crit riders ...
I used to race in the 1970's. Some things don't change a lot. The U.S. mens road TT champion (multiple years) raced in our area (Ohio). He could bust everyone by a large margin in TT's and was decent in road races - but was by no stretch of the imagination a great crit rider. He was mister fast and steady - not always able to respond to changes in pace (like attacks).
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Yeah, crits require a completely different kind of fitness and a lot more mental skill and tactical strategy than TTs or RRs. Heck, just being able to stay on someone's wheel flying around a corner at 35mph+ as you're both scraping your pedals is the difference between winning or getting dropped. And that has absolutely nothing to do with fitness.
And the type of fitness required is simply torture. Being able to go from 25mph to 35mph instantly at 99% all-out sprint, then holding 35mph for 15-20 seconds, then dropping down to 25mph to recover and go around a corner at the limit and then zip up to 35mph again instantly. That's tough work!
ModoVincere, I'd recommend join a group of racers in your area and train with them. You'll get in the required intervals to build this kind of fitness. And do as many practice races as you can before the season starts next year. There's absolutely no way to prepare for racing other than to do actual races. There's simply too much mental development that requires actual experience to pick up.
And the type of fitness required is simply torture. Being able to go from 25mph to 35mph instantly at 99% all-out sprint, then holding 35mph for 15-20 seconds, then dropping down to 25mph to recover and go around a corner at the limit and then zip up to 35mph again instantly. That's tough work!
ModoVincere, I'd recommend join a group of racers in your area and train with them. You'll get in the required intervals to build this kind of fitness. And do as many practice races as you can before the season starts next year. There's absolutely no way to prepare for racing other than to do actual races. There's simply too much mental development that requires actual experience to pick up.
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I see bike racing has a fair bit in common with ski racing. It's amazing how even at a lot of the biggest races like the Vasaloppet and the Birkie many of the elite skiers are in their 40s. I think what happens is their kids reach high school age and they a) have more time and b) feel the need to keep up with their often athletically proficient offspring.