lowest ever TSB
12-04-07, 06:31 PM
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lowest ever TSB
Ok let's here from the PMC junkies and acronym fans. What's the lowest training stress balance you've ever had? How about the day of a race?
What do you try and get to on race day?
What do you try and get to on race day?
12-04-07, 06:59 PM
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Ok, I'll bite.
My races never got me as low as long distance rides of +6 hours duration.
Last month I did back to back centuries (11/17 & 11/18) which yielded a TSB on the PMC of -55.9.
My races never got me as low as long distance rides of +6 hours duration.
Last month I did back to back centuries (11/17 & 11/18) which yielded a TSB on the PMC of -55.9.
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WTH is TSB?
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Oops, thought this was about Technical Service Bulletins from Toyota. 
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You'll have to read it from here:
https://www.cyclingpeakssoftware.com...ncemanager.asp
Oh, what the heck:
https://www.cyclingpeakssoftware.com...ncemanager.asp
Oh, what the heck:
Training Load can come in many ways, but let's categorize them based on duration to begin with. We call the cumulative affect or impact of training that has been done as long as 6 weeks ago, the 'Chronic Training Load' (CTL). CTL can be shorter than six weeks or it may be longer, that is up for debate, however let's just consider the fact that the workouts that you did 3 weeks ago are impacting you as well and most likely with a slightly higher impact than those done six weeks ago. What about the workouts that you did this past weekend? Or yesterday? We call these the 'Acute Training Load' (ATL) and these too impact your performance today and into the future. Let's consider the more 'near term' workouts as all the workouts you have done in the last 14days up to yesterday, and for ease of use, we'll use 7 days for your ATL.
- CTL=Long term effects- workouts done 15 days ago and older
- ATL=Short term effects- workouts done in the last 14 days
12-04-07, 07:22 PM
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Weird, but true: If you type "training stress balance" into Google, the first return is a link to an explanation of the concept. Amazing what you can do with five seconds and a bit of gumption.
To answer the OP's question, the lowest I've seen is -47 or so, twice this past year.
To answer the OP's question, the lowest I've seen is -47 or so, twice this past year.
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You'll have to read it from here:
https://www.cyclingpeakssoftware.com...ncemanager.asp
Oh, what the heck:
https://www.cyclingpeakssoftware.com...ncemanager.asp
Oh, what the heck:
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12-04-07, 07:35 PM
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-33 was my lowest this year
for races I like to be around +15
I've set PRs for 5 sec, 1 min, 5 min and FTP w TSB ranging from -9 to +4
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for races I like to be around +15
I've set PRs for 5 sec, 1 min, 5 min and FTP w TSB ranging from -9 to +4
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This is a good thread- made me go back and look. I went lower than -60 three times last year. Lowest was -68.3. All from many successive days with long rides and a lot of climbing. On two of them I was still coming back from being off for a month due to a crash. One was right before an operation that was going to take me off the bike for a week or so- I planned to really wipe myself out since I knew I'd have plenty of time to recover. On two of them I had to call my wife to come pick me up since I was too wiped out to make the difficult climb home.
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Lowest since 9-1 has been -59.8. I race around -5. I'm going to try +5 to see what it does for me.
12-04-07, 07:40 PM
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-50.74 last December. @130-140 CTL I can't get that low anymore.
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12-04-07, 08:20 PM
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Maybe it's just me, but without a good workout or two the week before a race, I come out flat and it won't be pleasant. I have to open it up for at least 10min at a pretty hard effort the day before, and throw in some 1min and sprints after that.
My best race of the year came the third day of racing in a row, after two 50 mile crits, at a 62 mile RR.
My best race of the year came the third day of racing in a row, after two 50 mile crits, at a 62 mile RR.
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I'm toying around with that right now. I went into the State Cross race at +15 TSB with the previous days Wed- 1 hour Z2 with spinups, Thurs-easy 90 minutes on the trainer, off Friday and 35 minutes Saturday with some spinups and 1 minute efforts. Sunday I felt terrible. I actually think I may need to be slightly negative for a good race.
This week is a harder week(around 14 hours) and I'm racing Sunday, probably in the negative range. We'll see how that goes.
This week is a harder week(around 14 hours) and I'm racing Sunday, probably in the negative range. We'll see how that goes.
12-04-07, 09:38 PM
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-42 is my yearly low. This was at the height of training over in the Rockies with day after day of awesome climbing.
12-04-07, 10:20 PM
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Neal Henderson at BCSM suggests being at least at +10 for an important race and +20 for a big stage race... something to think about as I would guess most of us don't hit that.
Any chance almost all the other guys raced the same races?
Also, a ten minute opener won't budge your TSB most likely.
Maybe it's just me, but without a good workout or two the week before a race, I come out flat and it won't be pleasant. I have to open it up for at least 10min at a pretty hard effort the day before, and throw in some 1min and sprints after that.
My best race of the year came the third day of racing in a row, after two 50 mile crits, at a 62 mile RR.
My best race of the year came the third day of racing in a row, after two 50 mile crits, at a 62 mile RR.
Also, a ten minute opener won't budge your TSB most likely.
12-05-07, 05:05 AM
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CTL,TSB Pre-race,Race TSS,TSB Post Race,Placing 118.61 10.31 115.8 9.18 8 120.88 5.67 142 2.28 6 123.37 26.46 267.1 5.15 5 118.72 9.79 164.8 2.78 1 120.17 20.3 408.7 -17.79 1 116.5 4.36 242.7 -11.65 4 126.41 1.45 105.4 3.81 2 133.44 9.88 116.1 10.59 1 137.01 9.85 176.4 3.64 1
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That was after bumping up the ftp.And I'd still ride the c's if I could.
