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    I gained 30w by reading this thread.. Thanks!
    Please remember that all statements unless quoted, are strictly my opinion of what happened. That there are as many opinions as there are spectators attending. I just choose to publish mine on this forum. And would NEVER intend to purposely hurt or discredit any other cyclist.... With that said... HTFU!

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    I just won Le Tour and the Giro! Yesterday!!

    Thanks!

    One up that, punks.
    Bring the pain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by recursive View Post
    I just won Le Tour and the Giro! Yesterday!!

    Thanks!

    One up that, punks.
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    This thread won the NFC championship for the NYG!
    Please remember that all statements unless quoted, are strictly my opinion of what happened. That there are as many opinions as there are spectators attending. I just choose to publish mine on this forum. And would NEVER intend to purposely hurt or discredit any other cyclist.... With that said... HTFU!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cat4ever View Post
    A crit with a centerline rule? Forget that.
    There is a local training "crit" that follows the ~1.75mile circuit around a research park here with a center-line. This is really more of a circuit race with a really short circuit, but the center-line rule is in effect as a condition of having a place to race every Wednesday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by botto View Post
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    What does 'one' mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EventServices View Post
    Hitting the stores on March 28th...

    http://www.velopress.com/cycling.php?id=256
    For some reason, I misread your post and thought it had just come out, so I put it on my birthday list. My poor relatives tried to find it and finally found out it's not out yet. Looking forward to it soon, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ericcox View Post
    There is a local training "crit" that follows the ~1.75mile circuit around a research park here with a center-line. This is really more of a circuit race with a really short circuit, but the center-line rule is in effect as a condition of having a place to race every Wednesday.
    Is this a sanctioned race? The rulebook is quite clear. Crits must be on a closed course.

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    Ouch,
    That hurts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    I figured I would give my experience within the categories. I am currently a cat3, and could have my upgrade to 2 next season if I tried. In Montana, we race the 3's with the pro/1/2's due to field size. I have also raced cat3 only races as well, so that's where my upper category insight comes from.

    Category (cat5) - The races are anywhere from 35-60 miles long. Usually you will race with the cat4's. Expect some fast guys trying to eek their way through to the upper categories... They will usually be the ones NOT pulling, but near the front. The guy that gets bored and takes massive pulls at the front will usually be dropped in the wind up for the sprint. If there are climbs in your race, there will be attacks on the first few ups, so be ready and near the front. If a break away succeeds, it's usually because it got away on a longer hill. As a cat5, try everything! Sit and watch, go take some pulls, shake things up with an attack or two. Get as much experience as you can in the 10 races you need to do before you upgrade to cat4.

    Cat4 - Usually the same as the cat5's, but you know who's who and who/what to watch for. Try to be near the front. It keeps you somewhat crash free, and it's less work than the constant yo-yoing in the middle or back of the pack. Leave the attacking to somebody else! The only thing you need to do is make sure nobody of importance gets away. If you're in the front all of the time, you're not dropped. If you find yourself still in the top 10 in the last Km of the race, congrats! Now comes the fun. Someone is bound to get antsy and throw down a little past the Km sign. Depending on your strengths, that's your boy. Be 4 riders back from that guy. He'll realize the error of his ways, and probably slow down at the 600m, and that usually makes someone else go for it. Get on them, and wait for the 200m sign... It's up to you from there.

    Cat3 - The races become longer - usually 60-90+ miles. Things can get strange from here on. Teams come into play, and tactics become important. Find a team and start training with them as you learn the game. Your first few races might see you working your ass off to get somebody else across the line, so don't expect much in the win category. If you don't have a team, don't waste your energy. Sit in and get near the front (recurring theme). Make yourself invisible until it counts! Riders are finding their strengths and they know how to make people hurt, and same goes for you. If you find yourself in a break and you're a climber, you have it easier. Wait for a hill, get on the front, and rain the pain. Climbing is slower (duh) so drafting becomes almost non-existent. If you hurt, they hurt. When the hill crests, let the other guys take over and save yourself for the finish.

    Cat1/2/pro - These categories are fast on a whole new level - A level that can leave you scratching your head as the rest of the group rides into the distance. You're racing with pros. Think about that before you do anything stupid... But by now, you should have a team and know your responsibilities. If you feel like you can't do your job for a certain race, SAY SOMETHING, as your teammates are counting on you to do a job. Not doing that job can ruin the race for the team, and possibly send you looking for a new kit.

    If anyone can add or subtract anything, I welcome it.

    Sticky this maybe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    +1 to the insert by enthalpic, it deserves to be in here.
    Reacting is mind candy; it requires no thought. Thinking is tedious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enthalpic View Post
    Happy now?
    Yes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Yes.


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    Hows the snow? (chortle chortle)

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    *shakes fist*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    *shakes fist*
    This is what where I will be riding tomorrow. Sorry but no snow for me!


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    OK Kangaroo boy, let's keep it on topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by botto View Post
    OK Kangaroo boy, let's keep it on topic.
    I am on topic. Moral of the story is: if you are new to racing and want to get ahead then race down under in your off season!

    You will return home a cycling god.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seppomadness View Post
    I am on topic. Moral of the story is: if you are new to racing and want to get ahead then race down under in your off season!

    You will return home a cycling god.
    If things pan out, and I get a decent raise in a year or two, I'll be taking a mid-winter vacation down to Kangaroo Land. I'm doing alright now and might be able to afford it (although the flight would cost more than the 2 weeks for a hotel and food) but I want to be a bit more secure before going down that road.

    Or I could just go to San Diego.
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    Quote Originally Posted by asgelle View Post
    Is this a sanctioned race? The rulebook is quite clear. Crits must be on a closed course.
    I've said too much. Forget I ever mentioned such a race in existence.

    But seriously, it is a training race -- I am honestly not sure if it is sanctioned. Nonetheless, one could creatively interpret, "A criterium is a circuit race held on a small course entirely closed to traffic." The way the course is set up, no traffic is allowed in the lane being used for the race, and the opposite lane is pretty much closed during races. At the very least, this is a pretty good weekly training race. People complain too much, and the race goes away.

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    The Greenbelt Training Races found here:

    http://www.route1velo.com/GreenbeltInfo.asp

    ..are semi-closed. It has a Brit-lane (I made that up, but it's a lane that motor vehicles drive on the "wrong" side of the road, but in the same direction that the racers are going (clockwise around the park). The center line rule and all USCF rules apply.

    Here's some text about the course (2007 permit):

    Course / Format

    The course loop is approximately 1.4 miles on the perimeter roadway of the Park. The yellow line rule is strictly enforced. The race start times and distances may vary depending upon safe racing conditions and the Chief Referee and/or Park Rangers' discretion.

    The race format may change with approval of both the promoter and USCF Oficials. The race will be held unless course conditions are deemed unsafe by the promoter, Chief Referee and/or Park Rangers.

    Note: if rain is forecast for Wednesday afternoon or evening, advance notice of race cancellations may be made by 4pm that day. Use the contact information listed below for status updates.

    All USCF rules apply. Held under USCF permit 2007-875.
    The point? Not all USCF crit races are blessed with completely closed courses or devoid of the center line rule.
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    ^Greenbelt is a training race meaning you can get dropped, crash, flat, stop and get a drink from your car, whatever, and re-enter the race. It doesnt meet the definition of a criterium as it's open to traffic, and although permitted as a series, aside from mass start Cat 5-->4 upgrade starts, results are not applicable to upgrade. That being said, if you have 19 points from non-training races (i.e. real races) to upgrade from Cat 4-->3 and use a result from greenbelt to supplement your resume, the local upgrade coordinator will usually use said result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDcatV View Post
    It doesnt meet the definition of a criterium as it's open to traffic, and although permitted as a series, aside from mass start Cat 5-->4 upgrade starts, results are not applicable to upgrade.
    That's if you get a result at all. Because it is a training race, sometimes they count the first dozen finishers, sometimes they only count the first three.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoRacer View Post
    That's if you get a result at all. Because it is a training race, sometimes they count the first dozen finishers, sometimes they only count the first three.
    they're counting results by hand so the # that they record is dependent upon what they can visually count. if it's a group, then they're guessing at who finishes where, if strung out, it's easier. lesson for greenbelt - be OTF and solo for the W!!!!

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    Probably the only useful tip I can think of (aside from the shaving discussion)...

    If you're at the starting line and some gnarled looking veteran shows up with some old beater and toe straps, try to stay on his wheel because it might just be this guy.
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