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    Quote Originally Posted by umd View Post
    Hmm, what if you think your team leader may have gone down and will need your wheel, or other support?
    team radio.

    there's only two things that happens when you look at a crash: you become part of it, or you cause another one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by umd View Post
    Hmm, what if you think your team leader may have gone down and will need your wheel, or other support?
    I still think it's more dangerous to look anywhere but at the race in front of you in the moments after a crash. If you're worried about your leader, what do you think about giving up some position until you find him or you don't find him. If he's down, you'll go out the back about as fast as is safe anyway.

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    Also if you are in a successful breakaway, don't attack to get a prime. You will risk the integrity of the break and probably prompt the rest of the members to drop you.
    It's always better to be last in the break than first in the field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyefisher View Post
    Also if you are in a successful breakaway, don't attack to get a prime. You will risk the integrity of the break and probably prompt the rest of the members to drop you.
    correct.

    can't remember if it's already been suggested, but sitting in, then attacking after a prime is a tried and true tactic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by botto View Post
    correct.

    can't remember if it's already been suggested, but sitting in, then attacking after a prime is a tried and true tactic.
    Oh man! I thought I came up with that on my own. (But it's good to know that it's tried and true and not tried and false.)
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    Here's one of those "they never told me" things I learned last night: Getting dropped seems to be more of a rookie mistake, a mental lapse, not necessarily blowing up physically. Sure it may FEEL like you blew up because even falling a handful of seconds off the back takes agonizing effort to close.

    Fight to stay right on someone's wheel in the pack, but make sure they are doing the same. If they're letting a gap open, find a way around them, pronto, now, immediately.

    Whew, thanks, I feel much better now about getting dropped.

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    Great thread. thanks!

    Two dumb questions from someone who wants to race but has always been too chicken:

    1. How feasible is it to start racing (Master's, etc) at 45?

    2. Should I basically expect to crash if I race? I do not anticipate being strong enough to stay up front, especially if things go uphill (at which point you can paint me red and hang a lantern from my ass).
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    Quote Originally Posted by pgoat View Post
    1. How feasible is it to start racing (Master's, etc) at 45?
    If it is an open masters field, they will crush you. You are better off doing an open 5s race. If it is a 45+ 5s race, or 45+ 4/5, you should be ok as long as you can hang with face-paced group "training" rides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pgoat View Post
    2. Should I basically expect to crash if I race? I do not anticipate being strong enough to stay up front, especially if things go uphill (at which point you can paint me red and hang a lantern from my ass).

    And to answer your 2nd question, I'll say, "yes, at some point".
    But never fear, I've crashed ~ 50x and only had 3 of any significance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pgoat View Post
    Great thread. thanks!



    1. How feasible is it to start racing (Master's, etc) at 45?
    Most places they won't let you race Masters 45 as a Cat 5. And even if they do, you don't want to. Much better chance of being competitive as a Cat 5.

    I'm 49, Cat4. Around here, I find the Cat 4 races a lot easier than the Masters 45.

    Ideally, find Masters 35 Cat4/5 races. This way you're racing against people of similar experience and maturity. Not always easy to find though.

    Once you put in your 10 races, you can upgrade to 4's and then race either Masters or Cat4.
    You could fall off a cliff and die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
    Most places they won't let you race Masters 45 as a Cat 5. And even if they do, you don't want to. Much better chance of being competitive as a Cat 5.

    I'm 49, Cat4. Around here, I find the Cat 4 races a lot easier than the Masters 45.

    Ideally, find Masters 35 Cat4/5 races. This way you're racing against people of similar experience and maturity. Not always easy to find though.

    Once you put in your 10 races, you can upgrade to 4's and then race either Masters or Cat4.

    Or both. As I'll do Sunday. Back to back (although I may regret that.....)
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    Thanks guys - That is kinda what I was figuring - in other words, "Masters" = "guys over 40 who are pretty kick ass", yes?

    I have no illusions about placing in my age group or working my way up to Cat 1 (or past Cat 4, for that matter), but wanted to know what to expect at the entry points, given my age (and the fact that I suck!). Cat 5 is fine with me. I'll be starting with that fast group ride first of course (Currently I am at the "try and stay with the old lady on the Raleigh three-speed" stage - at least when things go uphill)
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    Re: the crashing - I'm not worried about losing a little skin (it can be part of my weight loss program); was more concerned with my old bones and potentially missing work, etc.

    Also slightly worried about trashing my bike, but then again, the perfect excuse to go buy a new one, yes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pgoat View Post
    Great thread. thanks!

    Two dumb questions from someone who wants to race but has always been too chicken:

    1. How feasible is it to start racing (Master's, etc) at 45?

    2. Should I basically expect to crash if I race? I do not anticipate being strong enough to stay up front, especially if things go uphill (at which point you can paint me red and hang a lantern from my ass).
    if you're brand new, and in NYC, i'd recommend you become a member of CRCA, and do their club races.

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    cool! Thanks botto
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    Quote Originally Posted by botto View Post
    if you're brand new, and in NYC, i'd recommend you become a member of CRCA, and do their club races.
    +1. Joining any club will be to your advantage, and the CRCA is a good one to join.

    PS: I did one of their races Sunday, and because it's such a large club, team work/tactics are unheard of. Granted, it was a 5 race, but at one point, some guy was chasing his own team mate.

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    What are the kinds of different races to enter? All I know of are crits and CX. What else is there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjs0702 View Post
    What are the kinds of different races to enter? All I know of are crits and CX. What else is there?
    road races, circuit races, time trials, stage races, track races...

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    Quote Originally Posted by umd View Post
    road races, circuit races, time trials, stage races, track races...
    WHat are circuit races, time trials and stage races? Also, how do I find out about these diff. types of races? Are they held locally? Websites?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjs0702 View Post
    WHat are circuit races, time trials and stage races? Also, how do I find out about these diff. types of races? Are they held locally? Websites?
    Please at least make an attempt to search for answers first...

    A circuit race is like a crit but on a longer course, maybe a few miles. There is usually no free lap rule. A time trial is no drafting, you against the clock. Funny looking bikes. A stage race is a combination of several different races, where there is a winner of each stage, and a winner of the overall general classificiation. Think Tour de France. The stage races that we do are usually a time trial, a road race, and a crit or circuit race. Sometimes there may be more than one of a type of stage. They are typically done over several days and you must finish each stage to move onto the next. A variation is an omnium, where you don't have to do every event.

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    I've just purchased my '09 license and I'll start up at cat5 this spring. I'm very excited, and figured I'd share that...super pumped.

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    If you're going to use your training wheels in a wheel pit, don't leave specialized armadillos on them during your race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kensuf View Post
    If you're going to use your training wheels in a wheel pit, don't leave specialized armadillos on them during your race.
    why not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by botto View Post
    why not?
    they don't roll so well when the field's doing 50kph.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kensuf View Post
    they don't roll so well when the field's doing 50kph.
    what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger.

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