Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

"The 33"-Road Bike Racing We set this forum up for our members to discuss their experiences in either pro or amateur racing, whether they are the big races, or even the small backyard races. Don't forget to update all the members with your own race results.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 05-17-08, 01:11 PM   #101
botto 
.
Thread Starter
 
botto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 40,362
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by umd View Post
Hmm, what if you think your team leader may have gone down and will need your wheel, or other support?
team radio.

there's only two things that happens when you look at a crash: you become part of it, or you cause another one.
botto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-17-08, 06:28 PM   #102
waterrockets 
Making a kilometer blurry
 
waterrockets's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Austin (near TX)
Bikes: rkwaki's porn collection
Posts: 26,130
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by umd View Post
Hmm, what if you think your team leader may have gone down and will need your wheel, or other support?
I still think it's more dangerous to look anywhere but at the race in front of you in the moments after a crash. If you're worried about your leader, what do you think about giving up some position until you find him or you don't find him. If he's down, you'll go out the back about as fast as is safe anyway.
waterrockets is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-08, 11:12 AM   #103
flyefisher
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Rhode Island
Bikes:
Posts: 293
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Also if you are in a successful breakaway, don't attack to get a prime. You will risk the integrity of the break and probably prompt the rest of the members to drop you.
flyefisher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-08, 11:50 AM   #104
botto 
.
Thread Starter
 
botto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 40,362
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by flyefisher View Post
Also if you are in a successful breakaway, don't attack to get a prime. You will risk the integrity of the break and probably prompt the rest of the members to drop you.
correct.

can't remember if it's already been suggested, but sitting in, then attacking after a prime is a tried and true tactic.
botto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-08, 12:06 PM   #105
caloso
Packfodding 3
 
caloso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Sacramento, California, USA
Bikes: Ridley Excalibur, Gazelle Champion Mondial, On-One Pompino, Specialized Rock Hopper
Posts: 33,621
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 57 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by botto View Post
correct.

can't remember if it's already been suggested, but sitting in, then attacking after a prime is a tried and true tactic.
Oh man! I thought I came up with that on my own. (But it's good to know that it's tried and true and not tried and false.)
caloso is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-08, 05:35 AM   #106
indianatrails
driving sucks
 
indianatrails's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Michi-indy-ana
Bikes:
Posts: 75
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Here's one of those "they never told me" things I learned last night: Getting dropped seems to be more of a rookie mistake, a mental lapse, not necessarily blowing up physically. Sure it may FEEL like you blew up because even falling a handful of seconds off the back takes agonizing effort to close.

Fight to stay right on someone's wheel in the pack, but make sure they are doing the same. If they're letting a gap open, find a way around them, pronto, now, immediately.

Whew, thanks, I feel much better now about getting dropped.
indianatrails is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-08, 09:48 AM   #107
pgoat
BatŁwŁ Griekgriek
 
pgoat's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: NYC - for the moment...
Bikes: 1985 Trek 500, 1986 Trek 500 Tri Series, 2002 Orbea Team Euskaltel, 2005 Cannondale R1000
Posts: 2,897
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Great thread. thanks!

Two dumb questions from someone who wants to race but has always been too chicken:

1. How feasible is it to start racing (Master's, etc) at 45?

2. Should I basically expect to crash if I race? I do not anticipate being strong enough to stay up front, especially if things go uphill (at which point you can paint me red and hang a lantern from my ass).
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
People whose sig line does not include a jsharr quote annoy me.
pgoat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-08, 10:02 AM   #108
umd
Banned
 
umd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Bikes: Specialized Tarmac SL2, Specialized Tarmac SL, Giant TCR Composite, Specialized StumpJumper Expert HT
Posts: 28,387
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by pgoat View Post
1. How feasible is it to start racing (Master's, etc) at 45?
If it is an open masters field, they will crush you. You are better off doing an open 5s race. If it is a 45+ 5s race, or 45+ 4/5, you should be ok as long as you can hang with face-paced group "training" rides.
umd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-08, 11:09 AM   #109
YMCA
starting pistol means war
 
YMCA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Orlando, FL
Bikes: Cervelo R3
Posts: 3,140
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by pgoat View Post
2. Should I basically expect to crash if I race? I do not anticipate being strong enough to stay up front, especially if things go uphill (at which point you can paint me red and hang a lantern from my ass).

And to answer your 2nd question, I'll say, "yes, at some point".
But never fear, I've crashed ~ 50x and only had 3 of any significance.
YMCA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-08, 11:53 AM   #110
merlinextraligh
pan y agua
 
merlinextraligh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Jacksonville
Bikes: Wilier Zero 7; Merlin Extralight; Co-Motion Robusta; Schwinn Paramount; Motobecane Phantom Cross; Cervelo P2; Motebecane Ti Fly 29er; Calfee Dragonfly Tandem
Posts: 29,112
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by pgoat View Post
Great thread. thanks!



1. How feasible is it to start racing (Master's, etc) at 45?
Most places they won't let you race Masters 45 as a Cat 5. And even if they do, you don't want to. Much better chance of being competitive as a Cat 5.

I'm 49, Cat4. Around here, I find the Cat 4 races a lot easier than the Masters 45.

Ideally, find Masters 35 Cat4/5 races. This way you're racing against people of similar experience and maturity. Not always easy to find though.

Once you put in your 10 races, you can upgrade to 4's and then race either Masters or Cat4.
__________________
You could fall off a cliff and die.
You could get lost and die.
You could hit a tree and die.
OR YOU COULD STAY HOME AND FALL OFF THE COUCH AND DIE.
merlinextraligh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-08, 12:02 PM   #111
caloso
Packfodding 3
 
caloso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Sacramento, California, USA
Bikes: Ridley Excalibur, Gazelle Champion Mondial, On-One Pompino, Specialized Rock Hopper
Posts: 33,621
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 57 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
Most places they won't let you race Masters 45 as a Cat 5. And even if they do, you don't want to. Much better chance of being competitive as a Cat 5.

I'm 49, Cat4. Around here, I find the Cat 4 races a lot easier than the Masters 45.

Ideally, find Masters 35 Cat4/5 races. This way you're racing against people of similar experience and maturity. Not always easy to find though.

Once you put in your 10 races, you can upgrade to 4's and then race either Masters or Cat4.

Or both. As I'll do Sunday. Back to back (although I may regret that.....)
caloso is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-08, 04:31 AM   #112
pgoat
BatŁwŁ Griekgriek
 
pgoat's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: NYC - for the moment...
Bikes: 1985 Trek 500, 1986 Trek 500 Tri Series, 2002 Orbea Team Euskaltel, 2005 Cannondale R1000
Posts: 2,897
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Thanks guys - That is kinda what I was figuring - in other words, "Masters" = "guys over 40 who are pretty kick ass", yes?

I have no illusions about placing in my age group or working my way up to Cat 1 (or past Cat 4, for that matter), but wanted to know what to expect at the entry points, given my age (and the fact that I suck!). Cat 5 is fine with me. I'll be starting with that fast group ride first of course (Currently I am at the "try and stay with the old lady on the Raleigh three-speed" stage - at least when things go uphill)
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
People whose sig line does not include a jsharr quote annoy me.

Last edited by pgoat; 08-16-08 at 04:37 AM.
pgoat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-08, 04:34 AM   #113
pgoat
BatŁwŁ Griekgriek
 
pgoat's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: NYC - for the moment...
Bikes: 1985 Trek 500, 1986 Trek 500 Tri Series, 2002 Orbea Team Euskaltel, 2005 Cannondale R1000
Posts: 2,897
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Re: the crashing - I'm not worried about losing a little skin (it can be part of my weight loss program); was more concerned with my old bones and potentially missing work, etc.

Also slightly worried about trashing my bike, but then again, the perfect excuse to go buy a new one, yes?
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
People whose sig line does not include a jsharr quote annoy me.
pgoat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-08, 04:49 AM   #114
botto 
.
Thread Starter
 
botto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 40,362
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by pgoat View Post
Great thread. thanks!

Two dumb questions from someone who wants to race but has always been too chicken:

1. How feasible is it to start racing (Master's, etc) at 45?

2. Should I basically expect to crash if I race? I do not anticipate being strong enough to stay up front, especially if things go uphill (at which point you can paint me red and hang a lantern from my ass).
if you're brand new, and in NYC, i'd recommend you become a member of CRCA, and do their club races.
botto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-08, 10:07 PM   #115
pgoat
BatŁwŁ Griekgriek
 
pgoat's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: NYC - for the moment...
Bikes: 1985 Trek 500, 1986 Trek 500 Tri Series, 2002 Orbea Team Euskaltel, 2005 Cannondale R1000
Posts: 2,897
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
cool! Thanks botto
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
People whose sig line does not include a jsharr quote annoy me.
pgoat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-27-08, 07:57 PM   #116
Pablo.
...
 
Pablo.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: nyc
Bikes:
Posts: 975
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by botto View Post
if you're brand new, and in NYC, i'd recommend you become a member of CRCA, and do their club races.
+1. Joining any club will be to your advantage, and the CRCA is a good one to join.

PS: I did one of their races Sunday, and because it's such a large club, team work/tactics are unheard of. Granted, it was a 5 race, but at one point, some guy was chasing his own team mate.
Pablo. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-08, 06:52 PM   #117
rjs0702
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Chesapeake, VA
Bikes: Scott SR20
Posts: 144
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
What are the kinds of different races to enter? All I know of are crits and CX. What else is there?
rjs0702 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-08, 08:57 PM   #118
umd
Banned
 
umd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Bikes: Specialized Tarmac SL2, Specialized Tarmac SL, Giant TCR Composite, Specialized StumpJumper Expert HT
Posts: 28,387
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by rjs0702 View Post
What are the kinds of different races to enter? All I know of are crits and CX. What else is there?
road races, circuit races, time trials, stage races, track races...
umd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-08, 09:35 PM   #119
rjs0702
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Chesapeake, VA
Bikes: Scott SR20
Posts: 144
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by umd View Post
road races, circuit races, time trials, stage races, track races...
WHat are circuit races, time trials and stage races? Also, how do I find out about these diff. types of races? Are they held locally? Websites?
rjs0702 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-08, 10:03 PM   #120
umd
Banned
 
umd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Bikes: Specialized Tarmac SL2, Specialized Tarmac SL, Giant TCR Composite, Specialized StumpJumper Expert HT
Posts: 28,387
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by rjs0702 View Post
WHat are circuit races, time trials and stage races? Also, how do I find out about these diff. types of races? Are they held locally? Websites?
Please at least make an attempt to search for answers first...

A circuit race is like a crit but on a longer course, maybe a few miles. There is usually no free lap rule. A time trial is no drafting, you against the clock. Funny looking bikes. A stage race is a combination of several different races, where there is a winner of each stage, and a winner of the overall general classificiation. Think Tour de France. The stage races that we do are usually a time trial, a road race, and a crit or circuit race. Sometimes there may be more than one of a type of stage. They are typically done over several days and you must finish each stage to move onto the next. A variation is an omnium, where you don't have to do every event.
umd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-24-08, 01:16 PM   #121
startedspyder05
Senior Member
 
startedspyder05's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Mankato, MN
Bikes:
Posts: 263
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I've just purchased my '09 license and I'll start up at cat5 this spring. I'm very excited, and figured I'd share that...super pumped.
startedspyder05 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-09, 06:11 AM   #122
kensuf
My idea of fun
 
kensuf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Gainesville, FL
Bikes: '06 Litespeed Tuscany, '02 Kona Lavadome, '07 Giant TCR Advanced, '07 Karate Monkey
Posts: 9,804
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
If you're going to use your training wheels in a wheel pit, don't leave specialized armadillos on them during your race.
kensuf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-09, 06:24 AM   #123
botto 
.
Thread Starter
 
botto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 40,362
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by kensuf View Post
If you're going to use your training wheels in a wheel pit, don't leave specialized armadillos on them during your race.
why not?
botto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-09, 06:28 AM   #124
kensuf
My idea of fun
 
kensuf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Gainesville, FL
Bikes: '06 Litespeed Tuscany, '02 Kona Lavadome, '07 Giant TCR Advanced, '07 Karate Monkey
Posts: 9,804
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by botto View Post
why not?
they don't roll so well when the field's doing 50kph.
kensuf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-09, 06:48 AM   #125
botto 
.
Thread Starter
 
botto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 40,362
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by kensuf View Post
they don't roll so well when the field's doing 50kph.
what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger.
botto is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:03 AM.