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Pull through on the left. 76 70.37%
I'm pulling off to the left. 23 21.30%
Check out how sexy my left elbow is. 9 8.33%
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Old 01-22-08, 08:05 AM   #1
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If I flick my left elbow ...

(I had one idea, but then I was reading some Thomas Prehn, and he had a different one, but I won't spoil it by saying which they are, although I realize if I disagree with Prehn, I'm probably not right. But still, I want to see how this breaks down)
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if you flick your elbow, and i was on your wheel, i would take it that you were signaling for me to pull through.

whether i chose to do so is another matter.
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if you flick your elbow, and i was on your wheel, i would take it that you were signaling for me to pull through.

whether i chose to do so is another matter.
Yes, but on which side? On the flicked side? Or the opposite side?

Perhaps my poll wording wasn't clear.
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if you flick your L elbow, I would interpret that to mean pull through on the L and you fall back on the R side of the group.
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Depends on which way the wind is coming from. You should pull off into the wind.
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if you flick your L elbow, I would interpret that to mean pull through on the L and you fall back on the R side of the group.
+1 you're pulling to the right, and you want me to pull through on the left.
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Yes, but on which side? On the flicked side? Or the opposite side?

Perhaps my poll wording wasn't clear
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the side that the paceline/breakaway is rotating.
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Well, that appears to be a concensus. And it's what I thought. Maybe I was reading the Prehn wrong.

Oh, and my elbow is sexy btw.
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I've always admired your wrists.
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I have always used my elbow to signal the direction im pulling off to. One damn good reason to do this is if you are in a staggered paceline the folks behind you can easly see your signal. The very few track riders that I know signal the same way and we also did the same with inline speedskating. I like the signal not for saftey but to get ready....


To add..... its usually obvious (due to wind, traffic, others that have pulled off before me) what direction the leader will pull off to so I if im wrong with my elbow flick thats prob why nobody has made it an issue.

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Too funny. Sexy elbows et al.

Usually you flick the elbow on the side where you want the guy behind you to go. Reason being is that you virtually never had a direct headwind so the guy in second spot is slightly staggered to one side or the other. If the guy is to your left, he may not see you flick your right. And technically, if the guy behind is to your left, the guy in front should pull off to the right (windward side, if that's the correct term).

I rarely pull off on the wind side as I die in wind (in races or hard group rides). Best way to accomplish this safely is to not get near the front.

pull through only on slower rides,
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Elbow ... pull through.
Point .. I'm goin' or watch out (hopefully with a "hole" yell)
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I can't believe this poll made it onto the racing forum.
Which elbow to flick is basic first week paceline knowledge.
I'm sure Prehn's book was a typo, or overlook.
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I have Prehn's book but it's in a box in storage somewhere. Else I'd check. I like his book the best among the recent spate of "bike racing" books (as opposed to training books).

I picked one "bike racing" book up at the store and flipped through it. I saw a picture of a guy descending in a very tame tuck and the caption said "for the foolhardy or very confident" or something like that. Slap that puppy right back on the shelf. If a lame *** tuck is "for the foolhardy" I don't know how the author can justify someone actually starting a mass start race.

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I don't do either elbow. If I'm on the front, that fact that I just shifted over 2 feet should make it clear to the next guy that it's time to pull through. Never been a problem. To me, the elbow is only needed for guys who don't "get it", or are wheel sucking in a race.
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My riding is social and this is rarely done... but... I've done a few doubles and that put me in the same social group as the other nuts, that includes one lady in the club who did Paris Brest Paris and got a coach to be ready to do it right. Forget who it was, not a big name, but a formet TDF rider. At one point they worked on pacelines. I was one asked to help, help meaning you can't practice pacelines with 2, so about 4 more of us showed up for a free lesson and as bodies. According to him..

Pull through on the side of the elbow flick.
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I don't do either elbow. If I'm on the front, that fact that I just shifted over 2 feet should make it clear to the next guy that it's time to pull through. Never been a problem. To me, the elbow is only needed for guys who don't "get it", or are wheel sucking in a race.

I agree with this, I cant remember the last time I was doing any elbow flicking that wasnt when in a race breakaway situation where I (stupidly) got myself stuck on the front.
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I can't believe this poll made it onto the racing forum.
Which elbow to flick is basic first week paceline knowledge.
I'm sure Prehn's book was a typo, or overlook.
Have mercy on us n00bs, oh great seasoned and knowledged bicycle beast.

In my defense, I did have it right, but I was confused after reading otherwise (I think?) in an otherwise excellent book.

You may now resume your business in the other, more worthwhile threads.
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The very few track riders that I know signal the same way and we also did the same with inline speedskating. I like the signal not for saftey but to get ready....
Most track riders I know (and it's a lot...) don't flick elbows-- they check quickly over their shoulder in the direction they're about to go, then they go. I know at least one coach who discourages the elbow flick because it's easy to misinterpret-- there are plenty of riders who are just kind of twitchy and always seem like they're flicking their elbows.
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I can't believe this poll made it onto the racing forum.
Which elbow to flick is basic first week paceline knowledge.
I'm sure Prehn's book was a typo, or overlook.
How about this one? Should we do a poll?

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yeh i read the same thing in the prehn book and noticed it as well. it must be a typo.
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yeh i read the same thing in the prehn book and noticed it as well. it must be a typo.
Not a typo, just not terribly clear writing. I had it on my desk to loan to a new racer, so here's the quote:
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You should always use your elbow to signal the direction you're pulling off to. This is because if there were any slight crosswind, the riders following, staggered downwind, would easily see the signal.
"Signal" doesn't mean "point to." And the second sentence makes it clear that you signal on the side the other rider is pulling through.
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I have always used my elbow to signal the direction im pulling off to. One damn good reason to do this is if you are in a staggered paceline the folks behind you can easly see your signal.
This doesn't add up. In an echelon, you pull out into the wind so you don't sweep the rider overlapping you on the downwind side. A rider on the downwind side can't see your upwind elbow.
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I have always used my elbow to signal the direction im pulling off to. One damn good reason to do this is if you are in a staggered paceline the folks behind you can easly see your signal. The very few track riders that I know signal the same way and we also did the same with inline speedskating. I like the signal not for saftey but to get ready....


To add..... its usually obvious (due to wind, traffic, others that have pulled off before me) what direction the leader will pull off to so I if im wrong with my elbow flick thats prob why nobody has made it an issue.
if the guy behind me doesn't know when it's his turn to take over, i do a little more than flick my elbow.
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