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Old 01-29-08, 10:44 PM   #1
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498 watts for 44 minutes????????

I've been doing some trainer racing again this winter after a break for a year and some new guys showed up. I downloaded a course which is a 40k in rolling terrain. I thought I did pretty respectible beating a fair amount of the field with an average wattage of 343watts in a time of 53:27

This guy who is in first place, well...... I decided to look at his stats for the run. 498 watt average with a time of 44:35

geez........... that is just unreal can't touch that ever. Looked the guy up online and turns out is slovenian and races in the masters class.

His name is Rok Kolar. Now I had an average heartrate of 171 for the course and he only had a rate of 143bpm wtf!?

found some race results for him.


Masters 2 (-1964)

1 Rok Kolar (Slo) Fanatic-Enduro Maxxis 1.10.44,2
2 Tine Zupan (Slo) KRK Sova - Scott Team 1.41,4
3 Alfonz Prevorcic (Slo) Krnes Avantura 7.18,0
4 Miran Modic (Slo) KD Bisport Nova Gorica 7.44,0
5 Rajko Veronik (Slo) Krnes Avantura 7.44,5
6 Dusan Rus (Slo) Krnes Avantura 1 lap
7 Brane Preseren (Slo) KK Zavrsnica


These were some results from this race

Slovenian Cup XC #1 - E1
Zlatolicje, Slovenia, March 21, 2004


I had no idea I'd be competing against monsters like this in trainer racing. Is it just me that thinks this guy is a monster or is this an average masters racer?

His weight shows to be 162 lbs

http://imagic.e-cycling.se/atlantis/...40km/index.php
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500W for 45 min 143 BPM is inhuman. I don't even think Big Mig could have done that.
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500W for 45 min 143 BPM is inhuman. I don't even think Big Mig could have done that.
Obviously, you haven't seen the numbers people throw around here.
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I think many estimates put him at around 500 or more for an hour when he went for the hour record.
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Yeah, 500ish for an hour will get you into hour record territory.

The guys with the records for the trainer race probably had an electric motor supplement...
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Pcad can generate 500 watts for sixty....seconds.
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lowracer are you quoting Tacx numbers or a valid power meter wattage number?

Big difference between the two in my experience. I ride my friends imagic every now and then and I've found there to be a pretty big discrepancy between my Powertap and Tacx. Tacx always estimates too high.
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[...] 498 watt average with a time of 44:35 [...] 143bpm [...] 162 lbs [...]
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Assuming this run was on a Tacx I-Magic, there are two huge problems with those numbers. First, the Tacx I-Magic's watts accurary is wildly off. On the Tacx forum, some have claimed its high by 30% or more with the scale factor set to zero and calibration and 0,0. Second, the Tacx's accurary is even further off on the VR courses compared to Catalyst/RLVs.
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lowracer are you quoting Tacx numbers or a valid power meter wattage number?

Big difference between the two in my experience. I ride my friends imagic every now and then and I've found there to be a pretty big discrepancy between my Powertap and Tacx. Tacx always estimates too high.
So the point is, when you want to brag, go Tacx (and normalized power). Better yet, put Tacx NP values into Monod. That basically guarantees you an FTP >500W.
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one has to watch the nmbers if it is Tacx Imagic. Though my Imagic CAN be accurate (in comparison to my SRM) it is only up to about 350 watts and only if calibrated properly. Most online racing leagues require the scale factor to be set to '0' for the Imagic, and then it will be grossly off. Of course, one of the Tacx racers DOES hold the world treadmill marathon record, so don't be surprised if you are up against some real engines.
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His weight shows to be 162 lbs
How much does his moped weigh?
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one has to watch the nmbers if it is Tacx Imagic. Though my Imagic CAN be accurate (in comparison to my SRM) it is only up to about 350 watts and only if calibrated properly. Most online racing leagues require the scale factor to be set to '0' for the Imagic, and then it will be grossly off. Of course, one of the Tacx racers DOES hold the world treadmill marathon record, so don't be surprised if you are up against some real engines.
I would have to think a long time to come up with anything worse than running a marathon, on a treadmill.
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http://www.saris.com/TrainingTips/PrologueChart.pdf

Interesting chart from Allen Lim.
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guess what, you didnt do 343 watts either!
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Interesting chart from Allen Lim.
I find it remarkable that a doped-to-the-gills Vino could "only" produce 6.22w/kg for that duration. Granted, the power figures are estimates, as I'm almost certain that most of these guys didn't race with SRMs.
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So the point is, when you want to brag, go Tacx (and normalized power). Better yet, put Tacx NP values into Monod. That basically guarantees you an FTP >500W.
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Cancellera Tour '07 Prologue - 53.7 kmph over 7.9 km
Kolar - 53.9 kmph over 40 km

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Armstrong's FTP at his peak was reportedly 500 watts.
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Armstrong's FTP at his peak was reportedly 500 watts.
I've heard 460-470 from several sources.
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I've heard 460-470 from several sources.
That's only TWO HUNDRED WATTS higher than mine will be on a good day with HGH.
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500W are for wussy.

Does he have yellow helmet strap?
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