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    TOC stage 3 hillclimbs - really tough?

    I have a buddy who rode the route that the TOC is following today to San Jose. He says that the hillclimb portion of the ride over Mt. Hamilton is among the toughest out there... harder than the Tour de France climbs, and way harder than Mt. Washington.

    http://www.amgentourofcalifornia.com...e3-profile.pdf

    Is the HC category climb up Mt. Hamilton the toughest in the TOC? How does it measure up against Mt. Diablo (the only other one in CA I am familiar with)?

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    Looks like about 1700 feet in 5 miles. No doubt a tough climb, but not on par with Ventoux or Washington for that matter.

    Even if you count the climb as starting from the beginning of the race it doesn't qualify as a TdF HC climb (CAT1). It's a TdF CAT2, and a small one at that if you count after the last CAT4 climb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus View Post
    Looks like about 1700 feet in 5 miles. No doubt a tough climb, but not on par with Ventoux or Washington for that matter.

    Even if you count the climb as starting from the beginning of the race it doesn't qualify as a TdF HC climb (CAT1). It's a TdF CAT2, and a small one at that if you count after the last CAT4 climb.
    the front side of hamilton is i think a 17-mile climb and several thousand feet. i can't see how the backside is only 1700 in 5 miles.

    i've descended the backside and it is a treacherous descent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erader View Post
    the front side of hamilton is i think a 17-mile climb and several thousand feet. i can't see how the backside is only 1700 in 5 miles.

    i've descended the backside and it is a treacherous descent.

    ed rader
    Dunno...I'm just looking at the link he posted.

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    The back (east) side that the race is going up is 2000' in 4.3 miles. It's 5 miles from the bottom to the observatory but the top is .7 miles before that.

    Here's the chart (normalized to start at zero) from the ACTC.org road profiles viewer:

    Mt_Hamilton_Backside.png

    The way it feels to ride is about 1.5 miles of steep but not so bad, 1.5 of oh my god (starting at the cattle guard), .5 not so bad, and another .7 steep to the top. I've done this climb about 30 times, it's one of my favorites. Edit: the chart shows short downhill parts, but it lies. There is no letup.

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    Backside of Hamilton is shorter but steeper, for the most part, than Diablo, excluding the last pitch to the top on the Devil. It can't hold a candle to Ventoux or several other TDF climbs.

    A lot of what makes a climb tougher/easier and factors into the rating is the lead up to the climb BTW. There's some fairly light climbing coming to the base of Hamilton, but nothing debilitating.

    It'll drop a lot of the workers and early season lack-of-form folks out though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fprintf View Post
    I have a buddy who rode the route that the TOC is following today to San Jose. He says that the hillclimb portion of the ride over Mt. Hamilton is among the toughest out there... harder than the Tour de France climbs, and way harder than Mt. Washington.

    http://www.amgentourofcalifornia.com...e3-profile.pdf

    Is the HC category climb up Mt. Hamilton the toughest in the TOC? How does it measure up against Mt. Diablo (the only other one in CA I am familiar with)?
    Obviously he has never climbed Mt. Washington.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ericm979 View Post
    The back (east) side that the race is going up is 2000' in 4.3 miles. It's 5 miles from the bottom to the observatory but the top is .7 miles before that.

    Here's the chart (normalized to start at zero) from the ACTC.org road profiles viewer:

    Mt_Hamilton_Backside.png

    The way it feels to ride is about 1.5 miles of steep but not so bad, 1.5 of oh my god (starting at the cattle guard), .5 not so bad, and another .7 steep to the top. I've done this climb about 30 times, it's one of my favorites. Edit: the chart shows short downhill parts, but it lies. There is no letup.
    yeah i remember now. the backside climb starts from a higher elevation.

    ed rader

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