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Old 02-21-08, 10:21 AM   #1
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Pick teh new racing bike...

Here's the deal. I had a NOS Scott CR1 that I got last October. It was the best riding, best handling bike that I'd ever ridden at that point. It was not quite what I wanted, though, because (1) the derailleur hanger is not replaceable, and (2) it didn't have frame barrel adjusters....

I got a new one about a month ago, and tried building it up without the in-line barrel adjusters I used on the first CR1 (they slipped like mad and required constant adjusting). Essentially, I hate the new build, though. I want my SRAM Force back (the Red is just not to my liking -- I want little ring trim, I've never needed big ring trim)!

Finally, I have a good local offer to buy the frame so that I won't lose money at all on it. The Red stuff's worth more used than new Force stuff is, so I can do that too. As stupid as this sounds, I want to sell it and get something else.

Whatever I get should (1) be carbon (2) will be used for RR's and Crits both (3) must have built-in barrel adjusters.

Any suggestions? I was thinking one of the Felt FC's, because I've always liked their stuff...
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there has to be a solution that involves spending huge amounts of money.
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Old 02-21-08, 10:29 AM   #3
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There is:
crumpton, parlee, rue

Actually the Parlee Z4 and the Velovie Vitesse get awsome reviews from guys who get to ride the trickest stuff around:
http://fairwheelbikes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4217
http://fairwheelbikes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4215
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I'm not sure where the line of custom/stock falls so it was probably a case of what the shop/person ordered but I've seen a few Parlee frames that do not have cable adjusters on the frame. If I remember correctly the Z4 frame in the LBS did and (possibly) the Z2 didn't.

Anyway, from what I hear they're excellent bikes.
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The Z4 is the only out sourced parlee and is offered in stock only. Parlee is very proud of there frames.

2008 price for frame and fork:
Z1 Custom, 7300
Z1 Stock, 6700
Z2/Z3 Custom 6600
Z2/Z3 Stock 6000
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Addict. Have your shop rivet on barrel adjusters where the current cable stops are.
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I guess I just don't understand why you need built in barrel adjusters. Does your rear der not have an adjuster on it? You shouldn't need one for the front. The non replaceable der hanger would bother me though.
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what would imelda marcos do?
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You could always get something with downtube braze-ons, and run a downtube shifter for your front derailleur. That's the weight-weenie maneuver, and it'll allow to trim to your heart's content.
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what would imelda marcos do?
A frame to match every kit?
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Hmmm.....I've got some brand new Force stuff.
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I want my SRAM Force back (the Red is just not to my liking -- I want little ring trim, I've never needed big ring trim)!
Interesting... I've been very happy with my Red, I love the shorter FD throw most of all. Anyway, thanks for the FD.
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She'd have a pair of sidi geniuses for each day of the week.
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wasn't there a joke in another thread about UT_dude buying a new bike before summer.

Not a replaceable der. hanger and no barrel adjustors -- sounds like you just like to buy and sell stuff. I hope your ebay rating is through the roof.
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I guess I should have clarified... I want to spend less than $1500, haha. I'm thinking I'm going to try and eBay a Felt or something.

I *do* like to buy and sell stuff, which I guess could be the case here.... Who knows.
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Here's the deal. I had a NOS Scott CR1 that I got last October. It was the best riding, best handling bike that I'd ever ridden at that point. It was not quite what I wanted, though, because (1) the derailleur hanger is not replaceable, and (2) it didn't have frame barrel adjusters....

I got a new one about a month ago, and tried building it up without the in-line barrel adjusters I used on the first CR1 (they slipped like mad and required constant adjusting). Essentially, I hate the new build, though. I want my SRAM Force back (the Red is just not to my liking -- I want little ring trim, I've never needed big ring trim)!

Finally, I have a good local offer to buy the frame so that I won't lose money at all on it. The Red stuff's worth more used than new Force stuff is, so I can do that too. As stupid as this sounds, I want to sell it and get something else.

Whatever I get should (1) be carbon (2) will be used for RR's and Crits both (3) must have built-in barrel adjusters.

Any suggestions?
I was thinking one of the Felt FC's, because I've always liked their stuff...
There's a 2007 Felt FC built with full D/A on ebay for $1900 right now. It was used last year by a u23 development team..

I kind of like Felts too, and they're definitely on my list. A buddy of mine just broke the top tube on his F1 two weeks ago in a crit and I think I cried more than he did (well, maybe not).
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I rode a velovie vitesse 300 recently, it was really nice.
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I guess I should have clarified... I want to spend less than $1500, haha. I'm thinking I'm going to try and eBay a Felt or something.

I *do* like to buy and sell stuff, which I guess could be the case here.... Who knows.
you almost sound like an american.
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Maybe you could buy Cipo's bike from him. Oh wait, it isn't carbon. Too bad.
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Replaceable derailleur hangers are overrated. They are replaceable, yes, but they are machined from raw aluminum stock so they are really easy to bend. Me and another rider bumped into each other at low speed (< walking speed) on a training ride a couple weeks ago; both of us fell and just from that little fall, her derailleur hanger was bent all the way into her spokes. One of the other riders there bent it back with his hands to ride the last 30 miles.

Trek has gone away from replaceable hangers in favor of forged aluminum hangers which are tougher to bend. You aren't able to replace it (actually, you have to send it back to Trek's factory to have it replaced), but they are tough enough that, if a crash is hard enough to bend the hanger, you'll have other issues as well.
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OK, so the derailleur hanger might not be the end of the world. How do I get the adjustability back, at least for the front derailleur?
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I'm trying to think of why you'd need barrel adjusters on the FD. I've never had to use the FD barrel adjuster before. I've used the RD barrel adjuster to (try to) fix a mal-tuned RD mid-ride before, but other otherwise, I don't touch them. I adjust things in my garage and use the barrel adjuster on the derailleur for tuning.

The FD mechanism is usually blunt enough that no fine tuning adjustment is needed. Just set the bottom stop, attach the cable, shift up to the big ring and set the top stop. But then again, I've always used Campy and Shimano which allow for trim. Are you using the barrel adjuster to adjust the FD to make it so you don't need trim?
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