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Old 03-05-08, 11:31 AM   #1
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Training with power

In case you didnít know, training with power is all the rage. In fact, Joe Friel likens getting a power meter to a person with weak eyesight donning his first pair of glasses. Of course, the reality is that riding with a power meter is more like having sex with an electrocardiogram, in that it takes the fun out of the whole enterprise and buffets you with data you donít really need. Physical sensation will guide you through your ride the same way it guides you through sex, and if you canít do either without electronics itís possible you have a problem that technology by itself may be insufficient to address.

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Old 03-05-08, 11:41 AM   #2
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Hallelujah!
PE is all you'll ever need.
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LOL! How many times have I seen where PE does not match force generated at the pedals or heart rate? Too many times, especially when one is getting a little "over done".
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In case you didnít know, training with power is all the rage. In fact, Joe Friel likens getting a power meter to a person with weak eyesight donning his first pair of glasses. Of course, the reality is that riding with a power meter is more like having sex with an electrocardiogram, in that it takes the fun out of the whole enterprise and buffets you with data you donít really need. Physical sensation will guide you through your ride the same way it guides you through sex, and if you canít do either without electronics itís possible you have a problem that technology by itself may be insufficient to address.
Amen brother!!!!! And why stop w cycling. KILL YOUR PC, YOUR CRACKBERRY, YOUR CELLPHONE, HELL, KILL YOUR BLENDER!!!!!! Life should be lived WITHOUT ELECTRONICS through PHYSICAL SENSATION ONLY!!!!!

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Why do you even need that?
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I'm done opening threads on power. every time I do, I think either:
a) my power tap is calibrated low,
b) everyone else's power thingy's are calibrated way too high, or
c) that I just suck.
None of these is good for my confidence.
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Old 03-05-08, 12:48 PM   #7
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Attacking the power meter? You have just become the Salman Rushdie of Bike Forums.
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Watts a power meter?
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I'm done opening threads on power. every time I do, I think either:
a) my power tap is calibrated low,
b) everyone else's power thingy's are calibrated way too high, or
c) that I just suck.
None of these is good for my confidence.

You're just not putting in the BF, (or more accurately, the BS) conversion factor.
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hey weve never been down this road before...
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...am I the only one who has had sex while wearing a HRM just for kicks?

/i don't do it all the time
//just once, in fact.
///I've been severely underestimating my MHR
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I'm just going to use two cheap 10$ Radio Crack Multimeters and measure Voltage and Amperes. And voila, power meter on the cheap.
I cannot understand how that Schwag can cost almost a 1000$ or more when I can build it for 20$.
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...am I the only one who has had sex with a HR meter just for kicks?
You might want to rephrase that to "had sex while wearing a HRM"
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I'm just going to use two cheap 10$ Radio Crack Multimeters and measure Voltage and Amperes. And voila, power meter on the cheap.
I cannot understand how that Schwag can cost almost a 1000$ or more when I can build it for 20$.

Ok, build one that works reliably, and doesn't weigh more that 250grams, and I'l give you $40 for your trouble.

If it were that easy, somebody would build the $20 powermeter, sell it for $300, make a very nice profit and put SRM, Saris, etc out of business.

One big problem I'm sure is the limited manufacturing scale.
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...am I the only one who has had sex while wearing a HRM just for kicks?

/i don't do it all the time
//just once, in fact.
///I've been severely underestimating my MHR
Nope...

Not sure how my wife took the info that my heart rate got much higher during a ride...

Not sure she cared

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You might want to rephrase that to "had sex while wearing a HRM"
Thank you both so very, very much for salvaging this
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Nope...

Not sure how my wife took the info that my heart rate got much higher during a ride...

Not sure she cared

You didn't clarify which ride.
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...am I the only one who has had sex while wearing a HRM just for kicks?

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///I've been severely underestimating my MHR
Tried it, but I'm having trouble in WKO+ getting my TSS from it. Anyone know how to do this?
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In case you didnít know, training with power is all the rage. In fact, Joe Friel likens getting a power meter to a person with weak eyesight donning his first pair of glasses. Of course, the reality is that riding with a power meter is more like having sex with an electrocardiogram, in that it takes the fun out of the whole enterprise and buffets you with data you donít really need. Physical sensation will guide you through your ride the same way it guides you through sex, and if you canít do either without electronics itís possible you have a problem that technology by itself may be insufficient to address.

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I still have a ton of fun on my bike, my PM is just a tool that allows me to quantify what I've done on my bike. You seem to not be able to achieve this balance, I have.
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I still have a ton of fun on my bike, my PM is just a tool that allows me to quantify what I've done on my bike. You seem to not be able to achieve this balance, I have.
+1

Its not that hard to have fun with power. You guys DO know that the head unit is removable right? Which means if you wanna just go ride your bike and not worry about how weak you are then you can just take it off. And then if you feel like training with power just put the head unit back on. GASP
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You guys DO know that the head unit is removable right?
No. That's too logical.
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...am I the only one who has had sex while wearing a HRM just for kicks?
When the first heartrate monitors came out, articles actually suggested doing this. So I did.

"44 beats a minute? Aren't you enjoying this?"

I stopped wearing them for that shortly thereafter.

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When the first heartrate monitors came out, articles actually suggested doing this. So I did.

"44 beats a minute? Aren't you enjoying this?"

I stopped wearing them for that shortly thereafter.

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Probably more fun putting the HRM on her and seeing how high of a reading you can get.
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