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    Optygen and Sleep

    Since I started up with my Optygen regime again in January I've had trouble staying asleep. I have no problem falling asleep but somewhere between 3:30am and 4:30am I'm wide awake. This has happened virtually every night for about 6 weeks. I've tried mixing up my bed times but it makes no difference, last night I was out by 8:15pm and again at 3:23am wide awake. Anyone else having this problem?

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    EDR, that's already 7 hours of sleep! Maybe, that all your body thinks it needs?
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    you're getting really old. it's normal
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoRacer View Post
    EDR, that's already 7 hours of sleep! Maybe, that all your body thinks it needs?
    +1

    Try staying up a bit later and "consolidating" your sleep.

    EDIT: Do you have to use the bathroom when you wake up? Thats my problem. I'm always up at 4:30 because I have to use the loo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoRacer View Post
    EDR, that's already 7 hours of sleep! Maybe, that all your body thinks it needs?
    Yeah but if I got to bed at midnight I'm still wide awake at 3-4 am. It's really not like me to wake up that early, 6-7am has always been my natural wake time. I'm not stressed out or depressed, I sure don't feel overtrained, the only factor that seems to be different is the Optygen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smoke View Post
    you're getting really old. it's normal
    That's what my friend the Doc said....now maybe I am depressed

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Diablo Rojo View Post
    Since I started up with my Optygen regime again in January I've had trouble staying asleep. I have no problem falling asleep but somewhere between 3:30am and 4:30am I'm wide awake. This has happened virtually every night for about 6 weeks. I've tried mixing up my bed times but it makes no difference, last night I was out by 8:15pm and again at 3:23am wide awake. Anyone else having this problem?
    One days I train or commute in the morning this is the norm. I'm up at 3:30, on the bike a little after 4. I love it. I'm usually asleep by 9 or soon there after.

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    It is the same for me but I am not taking Optygen. No matter when I go to bed I am awake at 0200 and maybe again at 0400. These have become my sleep cycles and I have just adjusted to them. If you can't go back to sleep then you have an issue. Regardless make the most of it. Buy a good light for your bike and do all of your training at 0400.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smoke View Post
    you're getting really old. it's normal
    correct.

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    Yup, as I have gotten older (40s) I just can't sleep as much. After about seven hours I'm all done.

    How old are you, EDR? That could be it.

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    You guys ever watch or read The Amityville Horror?

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    "Some of the experiences of the Lutz family at the house have been described as follows:

    * George would wake up around 3:15 every morning and would go out to check the boathouse. Later he would learn that this was the estimated time of the DeFeo killings."

    dun dun DUN!!!!

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    I've had alot of trouble sleeping as well, same circumstances as you have described.. and i'm only 19. I've never ever had any problems sleeping, but now i wake up at like 3, going to bed at around 10 every night and needing to wake up at 6. Usually i don't have to go to the bathroom either.

    I did start taking rodiola rosea as a supplement a while ago, somewhere around when i started having trouble sleeping now that i think about it... It is also in Optygen... I'm going to cut it out and see if it makes a difference.

    Lately i've had to stop training cause of the lack of sleep, which really sucks. I wasn't and still am not sure if maybe i overtrained myself ( i started doing 100% FTP 3-5 days a week like a noob) and that was just one of the symptons (i dont really notice any of the others) or it was just the lack of sleep, so my body couldnt repair.

    ill let you know if i notice any differences... Try cutting the optygen for a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Diablo Rojo View Post
    That's what my friend the Doc said....now maybe I am depressed
    complicating the problem. early morning awakening is a symptom of depression. You're in a downward spiral.

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    thanks for fixing that
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    you're old. you're really old. you're really damn old. and you're depressed about it. you should be. because you're so old. i thought you were depressed the other day, as a matter of fact. depressed and worried. because there was a murder in your house a while back. so you wake up depressed. and worried. at murder time. hell, i'd be depressed, too. and since all you can do is get older, you're just gonna get even more depressed. it's gonna get worse and worse and worse until you sink out of sight into the black hole of depression, collapse into a singularity of nothingness where no hope or joy or happiness radiates out, and you shall henceforth be known as...

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    I am Pcad, I'm older than most of you, I take Optygen and I sleep like a baby.

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    Ever hear of "witching hour". It's at 3 A.M. your posesed by the devil..er diablo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smoke View Post
    you're old. you're really old. you're really damn old. and you're depressed about it. you should be. because you're so old. i thought you were depressed the other day, as a matter of fact. depressed and worried. because there was a murder in your house a while back. so you wake up depressed. and worried. at murder time. hell, i'd be depressed, too. and since all you can do is get older, you're just gonna get even more depressed. it's gonna get worse and worse and worse until you sink out of sight into the black hole of depression, collapse into a singularity of nothingness where no hope or joy or happiness radiates out, and you shall henceforth be known as...

    pcad

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    You may be getting old and depressed, or depressed because you're old. I'm in the same boat. Last summer when I was in the hardest part of my training, I just couldn't get a good nights sleep, my resting pulse rate started going up, general fatigue. The books say take a week off, but I was coming up on a big Century. The local supplement store told me about a product called Somatomax. It's supposed to be a natural HGH stimulator, which old folks like us need. I don't know if it stimulates HGH release or not, but I take it four days a week, I sleep like a baby, and it got me back to training hard within 3 days with my resting pulse rating dropping back to were it should be. My wife has fibromyalgia, which has sleep issues associated with it, and she takes it now and sleeps like she hasn't been able to in 15 years. It very pricey, like $50 for 5 weeks, but it might be worth a try if your training hard and already paying for optygen.

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    Im off the Optygen for a bit to see if my sleep cycle returns to normal. The fear of becoming Pcad is much greater than any loss of performance that I might gain with Optygen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Diablo Rojo View Post
    Im off the Optygen for a bit to see if my sleep cycle returns to normal. The fear of becoming Pcad is much greater than any loss of performance that I might gain with Optygen.
    Try supplementing ZMA instead:

    "ZMA is a synergistic combination of zinc, magnesium and vitamin B6, specifically designed to enhance muscle strength, endurance, and recovery from exercise. Taken before bedtime, ZMA promotes deeper, more restful sleep, which is when maximum healing, and muscle growth takes place. ZMA consists of a unique covalently-bound complex of zinc, magnesium and aspartic acid, which enables the magnesium and zinc to reach the bloodstream at the same time so that the desired synergistic effect can be obtained."

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Diablo Rojo View Post
    Im off the Optygen for a bit to see if my sleep cycle returns to normal. The fear of becoming Pcad is much greater than any loss of performance that I might gain with Optygen.
    too late.


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    Quote Originally Posted by El Diablo Rojo View Post
    Since I started up with my Optygen regime again in January I've had trouble staying asleep. I have no problem falling asleep but somewhere between 3:30am and 4:30am I'm wide awake. This has happened virtually every night for about 6 weeks. I've tried mixing up my bed times but it makes no difference, last night I was out by 8:15pm and again at 3:23am wide awake. Anyone else having this problem?
    I have this same problem. In my case however, it is that pesky 2 year old, not Optygen keeping me awake. To combat trouble going to sleep so I can be prepared for the 3:30 wakeup, I have relied on a cure I learned about in college: beer.

    But seriously, when I used to have sleep problems relating to medication, I took melatonin tablets. They are pretty cheap and helped me. May have been placebo, but if so, it was a pretty good one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by substructure View Post
    Try supplementing ZMA instead:

    "ZMA is a synergistic combination of zinc, magnesium and vitamin B6, specifically designed to enhance muscle strength, endurance, and recovery from exercise. Taken before bedtime, ZMA promotes deeper, more restful sleep, which is when maximum healing, and muscle growth takes place. ZMA consists of a unique covalently-bound complex of zinc, magnesium and aspartic acid, which enables the magnesium and zinc to reach the bloodstream at the same time so that the desired synergistic effect can be obtained."

    Have you tried it? if not has anyone else? Seems like all the muscle heads love it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Diablo Rojo View Post
    Have you tried it? if not has anyone else? Seems like all the muscle heads love it.
    Yup. When I was a musclehead.

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