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Old 03-08-08, 03:26 PM   #1
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this forum is kind of depressing

reading some of the power number and training loads of lower level racers here makes my upcoming races seem like impending doom.
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It's okay. We're all liars

That and you're dealing with people who are obsessed, I think we've got a bit of a microcosm here.
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where? I have not seen any impressive power-meter numbers.
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spoken like a true junior
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reading some of the power number and training loads of lower level racers here makes my upcoming races seem like impending doom.
My #s are not as big as most of the stuff I read here, from posters who are racing at lower levels than I do. I'm not trying to sound pretentious, but honestly, I'm fairly competitive in every race I enter. Just goes to show there's more to racing than watts.
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I'd post my numbers, but I haven't found a power meter that goes high enough yet.
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you guys without power numbers dont get off so easy with your 20 hour training weeks and all
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Eddy Merckx did OK without a power meter. I suspect that the next Eddy could as well.

I don't have one and I don't expect that I ever will. I'd rather spend my $'s on other things. I did do some "WRI" intervals this week where I sprinted for 13 seconds and then tried to hang on for the remainder of the 60 second interval. I calculated that just accelerating my fat a*s and fairly heavy bike/wheels from 4 mph to 30 mph in 13 seconds without wind resistance or any other loss was at least 700 watts. I have no idea what my "measured by a SRM or PT" wattage would be and "Frankly, Scarlet, I don't give a damn".
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Just goes to show there's more to racing than watts.
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Eddy Merckx did OK without a power meter. I suspect that the next Eddy could as well.

I don't have one and I don't expect that I ever will. I'd rather spend my $'s on other things. I did do some "WRI" intervals this week where I sprinted for 13 seconds and then tried to hang on for the remainder of the 60 second interval. I calculated that just accelerating my fat a*s and fairly heavy bike/wheels from 4 mph to 30 mph in 13 seconds without wind resistance or any other loss was at least 700 watts. I have no idea what my "measured by a SRM or PT" wattage would be and "Frankly, Scarlet, I don't give a damn".
Right. There was one Eddy Merckx.

It's safe to say that every successful pro since Greg LeMond does at least some training with a power meter. Many even race with them. It's also safe to say that if Eddy could have utilized a power meter, he would have as well.
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My #s are not as big as most of the stuff I read here, from posters who are racing at lower levels than I do. I'm not trying to sound pretentious, but honestly, I'm fairly competitive in every race I enter. Just goes to show there's more to racing than watts.
Especially in MABRA land where the biggest hills last about 2-3 minutes.

That being said, I can't agree more that there's a whole lot more to "the race" than bringing fitness to the line. I'm putting out some of my best numbers in two years right now, but I've done little more than win a prime. The best part is, I'm still having fun!

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Eddy Merckx did OK without a power meter. I suspect that the next Eddy could as well.

I don't have one and I don't expect that I ever will. I'd rather spend my $'s on other things. I did do some "WRI" intervals this week where I sprinted for 13 seconds and then tried to hang on for the remainder of the 60 second interval. I calculated that just accelerating my fat a*s and fairly heavy bike/wheels from 4 mph to 30 mph in 13 seconds without wind resistance or any other loss was at least 700 watts. I have no idea what my "measured by a SRM or PT" wattage would be and "Frankly, Scarlet, I don't give a damn".
Yea, you care so little that you bothered to calculate it out.

If the numbers of cat 4's and 3's on this site are true and they still can't win everything and upgrade, it just proves they are dumb as dirt.
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Old 03-08-08, 06:32 PM   #13
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Eddy Merckx did OK without a power meter. I suspect that the next Eddy could as well.

I don't have one and I don't expect that I ever will. I'd rather spend my $'s on other things. I did do some "WRI" intervals this week where I sprinted for 13 seconds and then tried to hang on for the remainder of the 60 second interval. I calculated that just accelerating my fat a*s and fairly heavy bike/wheels from 4 mph to 30 mph in 13 seconds without wind resistance or any other loss was at least 700 watts. I have no idea what my "measured by a SRM or PT" wattage would be and "Frankly, Scarlet, I don't give a damn".

this thread isnt about the merits of a power meter. there are plently of threads on that topic you can troll on if you want.

seriously, some people on here are so freaking hung up on talking these things down.
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Old 03-08-08, 07:01 PM   #14
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Lithu, people lie. Just race and train and you'll be fine.

My favorite thing to ask on this board is anything involving cadence. You'll get guys claiming that they like to climb with cadences of 85rpm. Nevermind that in the lowest standard gear of most bicycles, on any substantial grade, that has them going faster than many professionals would.

Also understand that power numbers without weight are pretty useless. People I ride with seem impressed when they ask about my power numbers, but they don't realize that I weigh 20lbs more than they do. I'd better be putting out more power than them, just to keep up.

Also understand that power numbers out of context are quite useless too. "I have a LT of 350W" means different things to different people. Is that your Conconi "elbow"? Is that your 20min max power? 10 min power? 40 min power? Can you sustain that 20min power at the end of a 60 mile road race, how about an 80 miler? Which power meter were you using, how was it calibrated? etc, etc, etc.

There are just way too many factors out there for power to be a reliable comparison between riders.

Race results are a pretty reliable way to compare yourself to other riders.
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Right. There was one Eddy Merckx.

It's safe to say that every successful pro since Greg LeMond does at least some training with a power meter. Many even race with them. It's also safe to say that if Eddy could have utilized a power meter, he would have as well.
no power meter... but cocaine, amphetamines, and god knows what else...
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My #s are not as big as most of the stuff I read here, from posters who are racing at lower levels than I do. I'm not trying to sound pretentious, but honestly, I'm fairly competitive in every race I enter. Just goes to show there's more to racing than watts.
hell yes hoss.

no idea about my numbers, but i'd hazard a guess that they're crap. but... but! as you've stated, racing is a different animal.

makes me think of an old teammate of mine. he could rip my legs off at will in training, but i always placed better than him (apart from genuine climbing races, where my inability to climb was most evident).

in the words of delores, of the cranberries, it's "in your head, Zombie, what's in your head, in your head zombie, in you head..."

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Just goes to show there's more to racing than watts.
Absolutely! You only need enough power to stay in the race and use the power of the pack to get to the finish. Having a little top end to bridge or sprint doesn't hurt but knowing how to draft and use the efforts of other riders will get you a top ten faster than months of training.

Did you ever see Lance lead a race from start to finish with his "Power"?

My whole premise for racing this year is to learn about the peleton and to use the field to my advantage. IMO there is no way to place anywhere in the top third of a 35+ masters race without having more skill in the peleton than power.
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obviously there is more to racing than power. my only win came in a crit when my ftp was under 3w/kg. it just blows my mind when i see people quoting 2 or 3 hours of steady state riding that is way above my 60 minute power.

its also crazy when i hear about people doing the equivalent 3 or 4 40km TTs in one day multiple days in a week.

my coach hasnt had me ride more than 10 hours in a week yet this year.
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hell yes hoss.

no idea about my numbers, but i'd hazard a guess that they're crap. but... but! as you've stated, racing is a different animal.

makes me think of an old teammate of mine. he could rip my legs off at will in training, but i always placed better than him (apart from genuine climbing races, where my inability to climb was most evident).

in the words of delores, of the cranberries, it's "in your head, Zombie, what's in your head, in your head zombie, in you head..."
Hi,

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Might as well assume my numbers are bad rather than confirm it.
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My numbers WERE bad when I had a powermeter. I kinda miss it a lot, but at the same time it was depressing.
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obviously there is more to racing than power. my only win came in a crit when my ftp was under 3w/kg. it just blows my mind when i see people quoting 2 or 3 hours of steady state riding that is way above my 60 minute power.

its also crazy when i hear about people doing the equivalent 3 or 4 40km TTs in one day multiple days in a week.

my coach hasnt had me ride more than 10 hours in a week yet this year.
I worked with a coach all last year and didn't ride more than 2-3 weeks less than 14 hrs, and mostly 16-18+. Different coaches, different schedules, different histories, different racing regimes. Gotta stop worrying about what other people are/are not doing and focus on what you can control - and that's certainly not other peoples' numbers or workouts.

At the end of the day, if it's too big to be real - it probably is. Or, you could ask the people you're concerned about the honest question of "How do you do it?" and "Is it working for you?"
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for the record nomad i dont doubt the stuff youve been posting
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No problem dude. I'm sure there are people that do. But I don't worry about it. Nor should you. The season is way too young to get frustrated about anything. We've got a lot of awesome racing coming in the next couple months. When I get irritated I just stop frequenting the forums for a while and watch more TV between riding sessions.

Besides! Cheer up. Even pushing 4.8 w/kg right now I can't manage a win in a Cat 4 race. I'm beginning to wonder if everyone else is lying about how low their numbers are
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Don't worry. 98% of all riders: Train smart. Race dumb.
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Don't worry. 98% of all riders: Train smart. Race dumb.
and then there are riders like me, who train dumb, and race dumb.
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