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    Cirts vs Road Races: The low down--> My hesitation

    I'm trying to peg out what my first race is going to be. Despite having a limited selection around where i'm going to be this summer i'm finding that the large bulk of the races are crits. I'm honestly not that interested in these types of races, i'd much rather stick to road races and TT's. Alas i have never done any type of racing so i don't really know.

    There is a pretty big crit event here in Iowa City that i watched last year, so i know what, at least this one, entails. It just doesn't seem like my cup of tea. Why? They seem too compact with too much sharp turning. That is to say, a little too upbeat for what i think i'd be comfortable with for my first couple of races. I'm wondering if i'm off base here. Despite the change in scenery and distance, is there any real difference between a typical road race and a criterion? I'm strictly speaking for the perspective of on the bike, I'm aware of the differences in how the race is setup.

    Any input is appreciated. Including any suggestions you may have for eastern Iowa/southern Wisconsin/northern illinois races (i'd prefer not to drive to Indiana or Michigan...).

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    It's criterium btw. A road race is a bit more of a gentile introduction to racing, but don't knock crits until you've tried them. They're fun.

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    Well I also used to think crits were dangerous and to be avoided. Now it sometimes seems to me that they're safer than road races. Some of the worst crashes have happened on wide open straightaways in road races because someone stopped paying attention to what they were doing, crossed wheels with the guy in front of them, went down, and took a bunch of guys with them. Not to say that a cat 5 crit won't be a wreckfest or whatever, but it seems foolhardy to preferentially race rr's over crits because you are worried about crashing.

    Now if I didn't suck so hard at positioning myself for the sprint, I'd probably enjoy crits even more...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilpirata87 View Post
    Well I also used to think crits were dangerous and to be avoided. Now it sometimes seems to me that they're safer than road races. Some of the worst crashes have happened on wide open straightaways in road races because someone stopped paying attention to what they were doing, crossed wheels with the guy in front of them, went down, and took a bunch of guys with them. Not to say that a cat 5 crit won't be a wreckfest or whatever, but it seems foolhardy to preferentially race rr's over crits because you are worried about crashing.

    Now if I didn't suck so hard at positioning myself for the sprint, I'd probably enjoy crits even more...
    I'm probably over thinking this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by timmyquest View Post
    I'm trying to peg out what my first race is going to be. Despite having a limited selection around where i'm going to be this summer i'm finding that the large bulk of the races are crits. I'm honestly not that interested in these types of races, i'd much rather stick to road races and TT's. Alas i have never done any type of racing so i don't really know.

    There is a pretty big crit event here in Iowa City that i watched last year, so i know what, at least this one, entails. It just doesn't seem like my cup of tea. Why? They seem too compact with too much sharp turning. That is to say, a little too upbeat for what i think i'd be comfortable with for my first couple of races. I'm wondering if i'm off base here. Despite the change in scenery and distance, is there any real difference between a typical road race and a criterion? I'm strictly speaking for the perspective of on the bike, I'm aware of the differences in how the race is setup.


    Any input is appreciated. Including any suggestions you may have for eastern Iowa/southern Wisconsin/northern illinois races (i'd prefer not to drive to Indiana or Michigan...).
    just. do. it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timmyquest View Post
    I'm probably over thinking this...
    correct.

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    The day before the Old Cap Crit(which is the one you are talking about) is theIowa City road Race which I have not personally done, but plan on it this year. I did the crit last year and it was me 2nd road race ever, and even though I wasn't with the main pack, it was still a good race. Also if you are ready the Kent Park Spring Classic is in 2 weeks.
    Other than that you can go to www.bikeiowa.org and that has a list off most of the races.

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    I'm new to racing. My first 3 races were road races, and my 4th and most recent was a crit. The crit was much more fun than the road races were. I mean way more fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenfast View Post
    The day before the Old Cap Crit(which is the one you are talking about) is theIowa City road Race which I have not personally done, but plan on it this year. I did the crit last year and it was me 2nd road race ever, and even though I wasn't with the main pack, it was still a good race. Also if you are ready the Kent Park Spring Classic is in 2 weeks.
    Other than that you can go to www.bikeiowa.org and that has a list off most of the races.
    Unfortunately i wont have a bike within two weeks. Those Iowa City races are in the fall right? i was having a hard time remembering, i'm moving away from iowa city forever ( ) in 2 months...

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    Just race kid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    Just race kid.

    correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    Just race kid.
    Or soon we'll lump you in with Ryanf .... all talk, no action
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    Quote Originally Posted by Homebrew01 View Post
    Or soon we'll lump you in with Ryanf .... all talk, no action
    and fake.

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    Racing is daunting at first, but the only way to find out if it's for you, or for that matter what kind of races you'll enjoy... is to DO a bunch of them. I'm no crit fan either, but they are great fitness and bike handling experience races. I used to do them weekly, even got a result or two even though I'm no sprinter (breakaways). If you find the right crit series, learn the course, get used to it, you might like them. I started to. But I greatly prefer circuit and road races. That's why I go to the city to race in those races, I like them more than the Bethel CT crits (although as crits go, that's about the best series I can recall, used to like those too, well organized safe, etc).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus View Post
    It's criterium btw.
    As my mom said after I crashed in my first crit, "Quentin, do you have to race those... those criterions?!?!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by botto View Post
    just. do. it.
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    For Wisconsin races, check here.

    Of course, there's always the Superweek races too.

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    Just another point of view:

    If the criterium pulls you when lapped and they want to lump you with 3s and 4s, look for another crit or consider sticking to road races. Paying big bucks just to get pulled because some 3's doing 40mph lap you 20 minutes in just plain sucks. At least you get to finish road races.

    Yes, I'm still sore about that. :|

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homebrew01 View Post
    Or soon we'll lump you in with Ryanf .... all talk, no action
    Ryan talked up his cycling abilities. I'm a hack. Thats the difference

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    Quote Originally Posted by timmyquest View Post
    Ryan talked up his cycling abilities. I'm a hack. Thats the difference
    The Self Loathing is strong in you young Jedi. Embrace it. Learn how deeply you suck @ this sport. That is the path to Pcad Cycling Zen.

    And of course, nothing gets you there like bicycle racing.


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    Enough threads asking what to expect and what to think.

    Stop whining and posting. JUST RACE.
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    Yeah, do the crit if that gets you racing sooner. Just stay toward the front, and there won't be as many riders around you (it's also a lot easier to handle the surges up there).

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    Quote Originally Posted by calhoun1 View Post
    Enough threads asking what to expect and what to think.

    Stop whining and posting. JUST RACE.


    Quote Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post
    Yeah, do the crit if that gets you racing sooner. Just stay toward the front, and there won't be as many riders around you (it's also a lot easier to handle the surges up there).
    Right now i'm aiming for a race about an hour away from Iowa City and a couple days after my graduation. They have both a crit and a RR.
    Last edited by timmyquest; 03-10-08 at 10:00 AM.

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    1) If you don't race Crits, you've ruled out 60-70% of available races in most areas.

    2) People who know they have lousy bike handling skills avoid crits, and sign up for Road races thinking they're safer. In the process they make the Road races more dangerous.

    3) Even a 50 person field jammed into one lane on an open road, with the centerline rule in effect can be more dangerous than racing a crit using the whole road on a closed course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
    1) If you don't race Crits, you've ruled out 60-70% of available races in most areas.

    2) People who know they have lousy bike handling skills avoid crits, and sign up for Road races thinking they're safer. In the process they make the Road races more dangerous.

    3) Even a 50 person field jammed into one lane on an open road, with the centerline rule in effect can be more dangerous than racing a crit using the whole road on a closed course.
    I've ridden and can ride in groups, i'm probably just making something out of nothing.

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    Most of your threads have been nothing but a lot of hot air. Stop stressing and just go race.
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