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    Testosterone check

    Anyone had one done just to see what your baseline level is?

    I'm getting one and other things checked too.

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    Nope. Considering the fact that I'm a *********, I'm kinda of curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by botto View Post
    Nope. Considering the fact that I'm a *********, I'm kinda of curious.
    Maybe you should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by substructure View Post
    Maybe you should.
    meh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by botto View Post
    meh.
    Well if the doc said you were a quart low, and prescribed you something. Life might not be so 'meh' for you. Just sayin.

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    quite some controversy about "Manopause" and testosterone replacement.

    Things to know...an individual's testosterone level is very variable...so one measurement may be quite different from another even in normal individuals.

    In the absence of symptoms of low testosterone (decreased libido, decreased shaving need...) there's not much to support giving testosterone. Most recommend against checking just to check since it's unclear what to do with a low level in the absence of symptoms....Urologic society suggests not treating unless there are symptoms...and I don't think "My sprint isn't as fast as I want it to be" counts as a symptom.

    a recent trial in the Netherlands amongst older men with low testosterone levels but no symptoms found no differences in outcomes (and they tested a LOT) among those randomized to get testosterone and those who got sugar pills (although maybe they didn't choose the best way to give testosterone.


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    Quote Originally Posted by substructure View Post
    Well if the doc said you were a quart low, and prescribed you something. Life might not be so 'meh' for you. Just sayin.
    If I was a 9 to 5'er I'd have to shave every day, and after seeing some pics of Spitzers bit on the side, I wish I was, so there you go, no symptoms of low testosterone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkSch View Post
    quite some controversy about "Manopause" and testosterone replacement.

    Things to know...an individual's testosterone level is very variable...so one measurement may be quite different from another even in normal individuals.

    In the absence of symptoms of low testosterone (decreased libido, decreased shaving need...) there's not much to support giving testosterone. Most recommend against checking just to check since it's unclear what to do with a low level in the absence of symptoms....Urologic society suggests not treating unless there are symptoms...and I don't think "My sprint isn't as fast as I want it to be" counts as a symptom.

    a recent trial in the Netherlands amongst older men with low testosterone levels but no symptoms found no differences in outcomes (and they tested a LOT) among those randomized to get testosterone and those who got sugar pills (although maybe they didn't choose the best way to give testosterone.


    Mark, MD
    Good to know. Thanks.

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    One ball can produce more than enough T....



    Using "clear" (T cream) is the #1 way to cheat...

    1. Ride hard for 6 hours
    2. Rub clear on your chest
    3. Feel 100% recovered the next day
    Please remember that all statements unless quoted, are strictly my opinion of what happened. That there are as many opinions as there are spectators attending. I just choose to publish mine on this forum. And would NEVER intend to purposely hurt or discredit any other cyclist.... With that said... HTFU!

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    Quote Originally Posted by botto View Post
    If I was a 9 to 5'er I'd have to shave every day, and after seeing some pics of Spitzers bit on the side, I wish I was, so there you go, no symptoms of low testosterone.

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    Is this your doping confession?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkSch View Post
    quite some controversy about "Manopause" and testosterone replacement.

    Things to know...an individual's testosterone level is very variable...so one measurement may be quite different from another even in normal individuals.

    In the absence of symptoms of low testosterone (decreased libido, decreased shaving need...) there's not much to support giving testosterone. Most recommend against checking just to check since it's unclear what to do with a low level in the absence of symptoms....Urologic society suggests not treating unless there are symptoms...and I don't think "My sprint isn't as fast as I want it to be" counts as a symptom.

    a recent trial in the Netherlands amongst older men with low testosterone levels but no symptoms found no differences in outcomes (and they tested a LOT) among those randomized to get testosterone and those who got sugar pills (although maybe they didn't choose the best way to give testosterone.


    Mark, MD
    Some athletes use the low testosterone story as an excuse to justify getting a "boost" to help their racing. Of course, they don't tell the doctor that ! They feel "tired", low sex drive etc ... Ever wonder why those masters races are so damn fast !?!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus View Post
    Is this your doping confession?

    I suck too bad to be a doper
    Please remember that all statements unless quoted, are strictly my opinion of what happened. That there are as many opinions as there are spectators attending. I just choose to publish mine on this forum. And would NEVER intend to purposely hurt or discredit any other cyclist.... With that said... HTFU!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homebrew01 View Post
    Some athletes use the low testosterone story as an excuse to justify getting a "boost" to help their racing. Of course, they don't tell the doctor that ! They feel "tired", low sex drive etc ...
    Yep....


    Overtrain for a few weeks then ask the doc to check your T levels.
    Please remember that all statements unless quoted, are strictly my opinion of what happened. That there are as many opinions as there are spectators attending. I just choose to publish mine on this forum. And would NEVER intend to purposely hurt or discredit any other cyclist.... With that said... HTFU!

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    Quote Originally Posted by botto View Post
    Nope. Considering the fact that I'm a *********, I'm kinda of curious.
    So am I. I was too. So I found out. I was way low. Now im not. I feel much better now. This is not a confession. You cant make a Ferrari from a Ford. (God i love Enzo for telling Henry II to go f*@k off).

    The stuff works, but im riding where i probably should, and not above myself or anyone else.
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    Actually yes, since i've been having some health issues and a bunch of blood tests this was checked. Im 21. My levels came back at the low end of normal. Could use a bit of an adjustment. Havn't followed up with any form of treatment to bring them up a bit since then. I have to go outside my insirance policy to get a doc for a second oppinion

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    It's not a bad idea to get blood work done. I went to get my cholesterol tested and found out that I am borderline hypothyroid. Unsurprising because both parents have issues but I thought it wouldn't manifest itself for, oh, 20 more years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus View Post
    Is this your doping confession?
    Heck no. I don't do needles.

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    Test replacement is almost always bad medicine IMO. It’s using a drug to cover up a symptom instead of figuring out the root cause (hypothyroidism, etc). It’s analogous to giving an anemic a blood transfusion…

    Rest, Zn and Mg are much safer ways to normalize thyroid and testosterone levels in an athlete or alcoholic.

    Effect of fatiguing bicycle exercise on thyroid hormone and testosterone levels in sedentary males supplemented with oral zinc.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum


    Zinc supplementation in rats subjected to acute swimming exercise: Its effect on testosterone levels and relation with lactate.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum

    The effect of exhaustion exercise on thyroid hormones and testosterone levels of elite athletes receiving oral zinc.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...d_Discovery_RA


    Hypoandrogenaemia is associated with subclinical hypothyroidism in men.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...d_Discovery_RA


    The effects of magnesium supplementation on thyroid hormones of sedentars and Tae-Kwon-Do sportsperson at resting and exhaustion.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enthalpic View Post
    Test replacement is almost always bad medicine IMO. It’s using a drug to cover up a symptom instead of figuring out the root cause (hypothyroidism, etc). It’s analogous to giving an anemic a blood transfusion…

    Rest, Zn and Mg are much safer ways to normalize thyroid and testosterone levels in an athlete or alcoholic.

    Effect of fatiguing bicycle exercise on thyroid hormone and testosterone levels in sedentary males supplemented with oral zinc.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum


    Zinc supplementation in rats subjected to acute swimming exercise: Its effect on testosterone levels and relation with lactate.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum

    The effect of exhaustion exercise on thyroid hormones and testosterone levels of elite athletes receiving oral zinc.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...d_Discovery_RA


    Hypoandrogenaemia is associated with subclinical hypothyroidism in men.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...d_Discovery_RA


    The effects of magnesium supplementation on thyroid hormones of sedentars and Tae-Kwon-Do sportsperson at resting and exhaustion.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum
    ZMA supplements?

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    Quote Originally Posted by substructure View Post
    ZMA supplements?
    That’s the idea (regulation of the hypothalamo-pituitary gonadal axis). However, uncombined vitamins/minerals will be cheaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkSch View Post
    (decreased libido, decreased shaving need...)
    I rode about 35 hours in a week a month or so ago. I didn't shave. I didn't need to. At the end of the week, I asked my friend to gauge how long it'd been since I'd shaved.

    He figured two days.
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    I'm asian. I shave once every other week, at most. even then, it's just my chin/upper lip. never get the cheek fuzzies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcheung View Post
    I'm asian. I shave once every other week, at most. even then, it's just my chin/upper lip. never get the cheek fuzzies.
    Why are you a racist?







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    Quote Originally Posted by Enthalpic View Post
    Test replacement is almost always bad medicine IMO. It’s using a drug to cover up a symptom instead of figuring out the root cause (hypothyroidism, etc). It’s analogous to giving an anemic a blood transfusion…

    Rest, Zn and Mg are much safer ways to normalize thyroid and testosterone levels in an athlete or alcoholic.
    I'm not sure if this was directed at me but I'm not concerned with my testosterone levels since I am ball-less. I'm unsure if those studies would address issues caused by Hashimoto's? I would like to do whatever I can to not have to take thyroid meds. Although those studies were all about men, I do take a daily Ca/Mg/Zn supplement.

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