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    Victory Salute Rules?

    From USAC webpage at the bottom of this link.

    Taking the hands off the handlebars


    About twice a year I get a report of a rider who won a race and was then disqualified for taking his hands off the bars for a victory salute. The problem with this is that the rule disallowing that went away at least 2 years ago. There is no rule that says you cannot take your hands off the handlebars anymore. We do have the following general rule:

    1O7. Dangerous Rider. Any rider who appears to present a danger to the other competitors may be disqualified by the Chief Referee, either before or during a race.


    My feeling is that a CR will have a hard time declaring a rider to be dangerous for taking hands off the bars if there is no incident. Clearly, if the rider takes his hands off the bars in a tight sprint, loses control of his bike, and causes a crash, then he did present a danger and can be dealt with accordingly. But please, if a rider is clear by a bike length and gives a two-handed victory salute and causes no issue, it is just petty to disqualify that rider. As a slow amateur rider for 15 years I can tell you that the dismally few moments of fleeting glory are what make the years of training worth it.


    In summary, I would say that if a rider takes his hands off the bars in a victory salute, most of the time there should be nothing said about it, other than to congratulate the rider. If it was in a very close sprint where only for the grace of God did people not go down, then a warning is in order. If you disqualify or relegate the rider, I would also expect to be receiving an accident report along with the CR report.


    That is about all I had for this one. I hope you are enjoying the spring.


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    this applies to anyone who participates in a races where there are cat 3/4/5s in the field -

    solo, or in a small break. sure.

    in the midst of a field sprint. idiotic.

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    My teammate won today's crit with about a 50 yard gap behind him. He coasted the final 25 feet with his hands off the bars. Chief referee didn't have issue.
    "When you are chewing the bars at the business end of a 90 mile road race you really dont care what gear you have hanging from your bike so long as it works."
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    I won a crit today. Hands firmly attached to bars. Didn't have to sprint for it.

    That is all. I just like bragging.
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    I hope that I have this problem.
    Reacting is mind candy; it requires no thought. Thinking is tedious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VosBike View Post
    I won a crit today. Hands firmly attached to bars. Didn't have to sprint for it.

    That is all. I just like bragging.
    Well done. Can't wait til I can hit the crits...

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    Well done. Can't wait til I can hit the crits...
    If I raced master's in texas I could wait til you hit the crits. I could wait a long time. Hell, I'm a little worried racing 3's in Colorado. There's always a chance some fool in a CU jersey on a steel bike might win any sprint with a 200m gap on everyone.
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    Like this is a big problem for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElJamoquio View Post
    I hope that I have this problem.
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    My bathroom mirror isn't big enough to handle my rehearsal.

    When I win solo, I plan to present Wagner's "Elsa's Procession to the Cathedral" while standing on my top tube.
    But if I'm in a field sprint, I'll probably shorten it some. I mean c'mon, where would I put the orchestra??
    Last edited by EventServices; 03-16-08 at 09:43 AM.

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    I've been fortunate enough to win a handful of races in the beginner old guy class and I'm definitely a "hands-on-bars-look-straight-ahead" kind of guy, mostly because I know I would biff it bigtime if I tried to lift both hands off of the bars at the same time.

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    Im gonna pull a bettini the next time i get a win:

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    I'm more of a McEwen man, myself.









    Or I would be, if I ever won, and didn't care if I faceplanted.
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    I think it's time to post this again:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=TwXThquznA0&feature=related

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    Quote Originally Posted by botto View Post
    this applies to anyone who participates in a races where there are cat 3/4/5s in the field -

    solo, or in a small break. sure.


    in the midst of a field sprint. idiotic.
    ...and that is why we thank you for never doing this. For those who can actually ride a bike, have fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EventServices View Post
    My bathroom mirror isn't big enough to handle my rehearsal.

    When I win solo, I plan to present Wagner's "Elsa's Procession to the Cathedral" while standing on my top tube.
    But if I'm in a field sprint, I'll probably shorten it some. I mean c'mon,
    where would I put the orchestra??
    Where the rest of us put it, in our heads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EventServices View Post
    My bathroom mirror isn't big enough to handle my rehearsal.

    When I win solo, I plan to present Wagner's "Elsa's Procession to the Cathedral" while standing on my top tube.
    But if I'm in a field sprint, I'll probably shorten it some. I mean c'mon, where would I put the orchestra??
    Having played classical music (violin) for more than 8 years of my life, I laughed so hard at this that I started coughing. Nice one
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    Quote Originally Posted by prendrefeu View Post
    Having played classical music (violin) for more than 8 years of my life, I laughed so hard at this that I started coughing. Nice one
    lol I played from K-12. I was a much better violin player than I ever was as a bike racer, and until I got my last bike, my violin was worth *way* more than any of my bikes (but I didn't pay for it). Now I think it's debatable.

    Problem with violins is that there are no field sprints in orchestra, save the one to get out of the parking lot after rehearsal.

    cdr

    *edit* I forgot to stay on topic. I practice my salutes while on the trainer. I have a couple mirrors set up to check out form etc. However, even when I won in a (only time ever) two man break by 50 meters or something, I still threw my bike. Old habits die hard.

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    Someone needs to PM Nomad to get his take.

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