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    What's your WRI™ look like?

    Just wondering what shape people's 1m intervals take. I have a sprinter's profile, so I've got this big start to the intervals, and I'm not sure if everyone else's has the same shape. This would be for an all-out sprint followed by the worst 45s you can muster.

    Here's mine. I clipped off the numbers, since I'm only interested in the shape. Not trying to boast about anything -- feel free to include or omit your scales:


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    Is this like an ink blot test?

    It looks like a giant lizard climbing a very steep mountain with the sun shining on him. . . . .

    at least that is what I see. . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post
    What's your WRI™ look like?
    You know I get $0.10 every time that acronym is used.
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    something like that. Definitely more of a steady state effort, even though it doesn't feel like it.
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    My WRI:



    In retrospect I think I needed to sprint harder at the beginning. Of course, my max sprint effort is ~900 watts, so I wasn't too far off, seeing as I never sprint very well on the trainer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kukusz View Post
    With WR the y-axis units are horsepower. AND rpm. And I think the x-axis was days.
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    Both personal bests, done 9 months apart - very differently




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    Here's a good solid WRI- type effort. It's actually a bridging effort from a race a few weeks ago.


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    mike9903 yeah, your psychological profile is bike weenie
    ElJamoquio you know I'm good for it. When we get up to $60 worth, send me some hubs, wires, and hoops, and I'll build you some wheels
    You do WRI™ on a trainer?? Wow. You'll need to post when you knock some of these out on the road.
    Kukusz The Y axis is brain cells burned during the effort
    Snuffleupagus so, those are both PRs? Which one was a stronger average?
    essamuli there's a good example of a race application for WRI™

    Here's my bridge effort from the Tuesday Nighter last week (the lower dotted line is my FTP):

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    Here's what I came up with as my best 1 min, from a race, it so happens. I was quite surprised by the profile. Reverse WRI™?


    My best minute includes coasting?

    I will go out and try this WRI™ thing tomorrow.
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    Yeah, that's an ™IRW. You're going to have quite a graph to post if you did that bit after 2:10 of racing, and included some coasting

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    Umm cant we call it a 1 minute interval or is that not cool enough?

    My best one minute efforts go both ways
    Like the WRI graph if I'm attacking or bridging
    Reverse of it if I am sprinting for a finish

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    Quote Originally Posted by kukusz View Post
    It is amazing how flat the torque curve is. Every car engine designer would give their whole nutsack for a torque curve like that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrennie View Post
    Umm cant we call it a 1 minute interval or is that not cool enough?

    My best one minute efforts go both ways
    Like the WRI graph if I'm attacking or bridging
    Reverse of it if I am sprinting for a finish
    No, "1 minute interval" isn't silly enough.

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    Fair enough, this is BF and a silly factor must be maintained.

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    Interesting question. Looking at peak one minute stuff it's everything from a less dramatic WR, to flat, to a reverse WR. The average uno minuto wattages of my 10 best all come in within a 40 watt range except for one race where it was 60 higher during a long uphill sprint finish that was too painful to think about. Huge cranking effort to try to hold onto third.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    Interesting question. Looking at peak one minute stuff it's everything from a less dramatic WR, to flat, to a reverse WR. The average uno minuto wattages of my 10 best all come in within a 40 watt range except for one race where it was 60 higher during a long uphill sprint finish that was too painful to think about. Huge cranking effort to try to hold onto third.
    So, was that a chainring shift in there about 3/4 of the way through? Or did you just catch the wheel you wanted, ease up for 5s, then have to jump again?

    I guess that first 20s is probably what made the difference to get you the extra 60W?

    It is interesting to see some race examples like this though. AWC is pretty clearly a component of the toughest part of the toughest parts of many races... bridging breaks, long finishing efforts, etc...

    So, what's the best way to train AWC then? The WRI profile will get you into that AWC state the quickest, then the rest of the interval is spent just surviving with whatever AWC you have left.

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    I'm pretty sure it was big ring the entire time, but we cornered then it flattened to the line...

    "You know Billy, we blew it" (Wyatt in Easy Rider)

    I actually think the last burst got me the bigger number. Well, burst is stretching it...damn those wheelsuckers.

    Best training? I'm kind of a work on your best stuff and your worst stuff theoretician. The middle will take care of itself and you won't have glaring holes for people to exploit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    I'm pretty sure it was big ring the entire time, but we cornered then it flattened to the line...

    "You know Billy, we blew it" (Wyatt in Easy Rider)

    I actually think the last burst got me the bigger number. Well, burst is stretching it...damn those wheelsuckers.

    Best training? I'm kind of a work on your best stuff and your worst stuff theoretician. The middle will take care of itself and you won't have glaring holes for people to exploit.
    Yeah, I've just been working on my worst stuff and visiting my best stuff occasionally, and everything is coming up. I had been neglecting FTP for so long...

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    Quote Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post
    Snuffleupagus so, those are both PRs? Which one was a stronger average?
    They're within 2 watts (585 sprinting at the beginning, 587 near steady state) of one another, steady state done in mid-June 07, and halfass-sprinting to failure done a few days ago.

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