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Old 03-23-08, 01:19 PM   #1
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Video of Milano San Remo 2008

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Wow... what a finish by Cancellara. That guy went off like a rocket.
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Wow... what a finish by Cancellara. That guy went off like a rocket.
Give him an inch and he'll take a mile.
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Great clip. Drives the pace on the descent, makes the bridge up when things might get away, then absolutely commits and barely looks back.

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That was really cool, thanks!
Even though I don't speak Italian, I'd rather listen to those guys than Phil Liggett.
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So that does it. There is only one question left for Fabian Cancellara.

Can you get any more badass without committing a felony?
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So that does it. There is only one question left for Fabian Cancellara.

Can you get any more badass without committing a felony?
I sure hope he's clean.
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The dude is an animal. I love watching him take on the peloton from 1km+ out.
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I sure hope he's clean.
After re-reading my post, I didn't even realize that I might have been hinting at doping.
I'm with you, Cancellara is making pro-cycling so much more interesting by his attacks and all-around talent. Especially to me, as a [claimed] time-trialist, he's becoming my idol. If Cancellara is proen guilty of doping, I'll probably become disassociated with pro-cycling.
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I sure hope he's clean.
WTF gives you the impression that he isn't?
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If Cancellara is proven guilty of doping, I'll probably become disassociated with pro-cycling.
Never let anyone take away your right to love the sport. Cycling fans have been disappointed many times...

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That was really cool, thanks!
Even though I don't speak Italian, I'd rather listen to those guys than Phil Liggett.
I picked up a homemade DVD set of the 2005 Giro, taped from RAI with the same commentary team.

Over two hours of these guys on the stage over Colle delle Finestre into Sestriere....best race video ever!

Too bad it won't play on a set-top player...
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I think he mentioned in a post-race interview that the last time a solo win happened it was Tschmil (sp?) and he did it from 900m out. I think Cancellara went from 2km! How do you break away with 2km to go? Freire said something about everyone hesitating, but that's B.S. if you watch the video -- Cancellara just clean rode them off his wheel. Insane talent.
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it'd be interesting to see his power numbers for the video. Nothing like being humbled...
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Freire said something about everyone hesitating, but that's B.S. if you watch the video -- Cancellara just clean rode them off his wheel. Insane talent.
I don't think Freire was referring to the point when Cancellara directly attacked, but the chase of the group itself. You'll notice right after Cancellara attacks the first thing the major players do (ex. Pozzato) is look to each other to see who ELSE is wanting to chase, this is what doomed the chances for everyone else and allowed Cancellara's move to stick.
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By the way,

Cancellera attacked and won while riding on the hoods. He never moved into the drops.
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I don't think I've ever seen Fabian in the drops. He was on the hoods for that whole 1km sprint/breakaway thing he did in the Tour last year. too.
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Watched it live, and I couldn't believe no one in the front group tried to stay with him when he went. If I was in a lead group <2km from a finish line with Fabian, there is no way I'm thinking about anything except clinging to his rear wheel no matter what. Easier said than done, I know, but still...
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Cancellera attacked and won while riding on the hoods. He never moved into the drops.
Professional driver, closed course.

Your mileage may vary.

If you look at his arm bend, he's practically at the level of being in the drops. Not the "locked arm-elbow" grasping the brake hood like grim death position one typically sees for many category riders.

BTW... If you click on the picture, you'll see Pozzato likes both...

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it'd be interesting to see his power numbers
I was thinking the same thing. To maintain, what, like 50-55kph? 1000 watts for 2 km? I don't think that would be outlandish. When I'm sitting in the field just before a sprint I'm at 1000 watts. But I couldn't do that for more than a couple hundred meters, and I've been in races where I came off wheels (got dropped!) at that speed. And that's a Cat 3 race.

Some cycling site/person calculated his power at Tour of California's prologue was 600+ watts for almost 4 minutes. My one minute max is under 600 watts (still, but I'll try again when it's warm out) yet I can do 1000 watts for a short period of time. I don't think it's unreasonable for Cancellara to do something like 900-1000 watts for 2 minutes.

re: not chasing - he countered three guys who were off the front for a bit - Pozzato, Rebellin, the white/blue guy (P-----ti), and maybe Gasporato (sp?) the Barloworld guy, so maybe 4 guys. So he scampers off right after they are blowing up. There is a 30 foot gap to the group that he just left. With 2k to go, you're thinking about the sprint if you're one of the front guys, except maybe Rebellin, the Barloworld guy, but that's why you just went off the front. The other guys were thanking their lucky stars they were still in the front. He hit them hard when they were all ready to take a mental and physical breath. It's like when Joop Zoetemelk won Worlds - he attacked at 1 k to go, the group with Lemond, Argentin, and a slew of other favorites all looked at each other, and Joop won Worlds. He was so old that they had to change the rules to allow him to race (it used to be illegal to race whatever it was called back then - UCI? - after you were 40 years old). He raced a year more just to fly the colors, but he was going to retire because he wasn't allowed to race the following year. And then he won Worlds. lol.

re: doping. I am the ultimate cynic when it comes to doping. But I'm starting to come around.

First anti doping observation - I met a friend's friend's husband who used to be a pro athlete. He has all the signs of HGH/steroid use (to me, and remember I'm the cynic) but he actually doesn't work out, he's sick of trying to be in shape, and is simply letting his body go. He's still very, very strong, still very lean, etc. I realized that he might be more prone to musculature and lean body mass, hence he was a pro athlete. Low level pro but still a pro. I started thinking how he'd do on the bike - and other than the fact that he didn't seem keen on bike riding for more than doing jumps and stuff, I think he'd be scary strong. In fact, I thought he'd be like a Cancellara. Stupid strong/powerful, used to the pain of effort, and an incredible belief in self.

Second anti doping observation - I've noticed the pros look less cut than they have before. HGH and testosterone helps get rid of fat between muscles, causing that very ripply muscle look that people here have posted regarding illuminaries like Ullrich and Vino. I haven't seen that recently in the shots of the pros. I don't pore over all the pictures like I used to but I get this feeling that the racers are not quite so cut. Maybe it's too early in the season? I dunno, but I take it as a good sign.

Third anti doping observation - speeds are slightly lower. Okay, Cancellara went 54 kph at the Tour prologue last year. But I think, with the more aero equipment, wind tunnel work, etc., we'd have been seeing 60-62 kph (the Giro prologue from 2001 was won at 59 kph, with a tailwind). Now it's not quite so fast.

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I'd rather win once like Cancellara than a thousand times any other way.
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Unwad your panties Botto.

Did I say I was under the impression that he doped??

No. But I do hope he is clean
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