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Old 04-01-08, 08:18 AM   #1
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Racing etiquette... crash in the field do you attack?

Point being discussed by our club currently and was just wondering what others think:

Every coach I have had (this sport and another "pack" racing sport) have told me that when you hear bodies hit the ground consider attacking... To get away from the crash and to catch others off guard... Some have said this shows poor racing etiquette and that nobody should attack then.... So what do you do roll around?
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Old 04-01-08, 08:23 AM   #2
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I am just a beginner at this, but I thought it was very cool in my 4/5 race the other day that folks soft-pedaled after the one big crash and let folks get back on. The eventual 1st and 2nd place finishers were both involved in the crash, and they were strong riders who I think deserved the win. I guess it depends on what's at stake (in this race, nothing really)
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Old 04-01-08, 08:26 AM   #3
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I'm not going to attack, but I'm not going to slow down either. And if someone else attacks, I'm definitely going to follow.

It's a bicycle race. **** happens.
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Racing etiquette... crash in the field do you attack?
if it's behind me? yep.
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Old 04-01-08, 08:29 AM   #5
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yes. always. is it "cool" or "sporting"? I dont know. What I do know is that i've never been in a race where a crash occurred and those in front of the crash didnt attack 100%.
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I won't "attack" but I'm sure as hell not going to slow down. Having said that, I have seen many people attack directly after one and I have responded. That's just racing, sure it's not the nicest thing to do, but if it was me down I wouldn't hold it against anyone.
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"It depends." A normal crash behind me, I'll go with the attack (though probably won't launch it).

This Sunday though, I was in the winning break, about six strong at that point. The guy who was the clear favorite slid out of a turn and hit the ditch. I wanted a legitimate shot at him, and told the others to wait up for him. It ended up being the two of us in the final sprint.
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Are you suppose to stop and aid assistance like the Red Cross or something? Attack? Yes. Let the dead bury the dead.

But, if I go down and any of you SOBs attack I'll fricken hunt you down. That is, if I can get up. If I die, I'll haunt you.


edit: Actually it depends on who and why it happened. I touched wheels a few weeks ago and almost bit it. The last of the lead group slowed a bit to let me catch back on. Unfortunately for them, I went home with money and they blew up on the last climb in.
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Last year at a crit there was a crash. Those not involved sped up. When we came around the course to the spot where the crash was still being sorted out and bikes and whatnot being moved to the side of the road, the officials were waving the field down and asking for us to slow. I slowed. Most of the field sped up more. I was screwed.
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Old 04-01-08, 08:44 AM   #10
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Crash behind=go faster

Just the way it is. This isn't the tour and your waiting for the yellow jersey, its a crit or a road race and your loyalties are with your team and doing your best to get you/your teammate on the top step. Waiting for your opposition to catch back up isn't conducive to that. Now if it is a stage race and your guy is behind the crash then YOU may wait but everyone else wont.
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This reminds me of an Eddie Murphy bit:

He was talking about in the movies the guy who gets shot always says, "Go on without me. Save yourselves." But in real life it's more like: "YOU BETTER NOT LEAVE ME MUTHAF*****!"
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It ended up being the two of us in the final sprint.
AND?????

Last years Ed Soto Stage race I was in yellow after stage 1. The next days circuit race had a crash right in front of me. I didn't go down but I never did catch the guys that went off the front. I was pissed

Like others have said here I wouldn't instigate an attack after a crash but if there is one then you have to go with it. Personally I would not feel righteous winning a race because I attacked a crash especially when I know the real competition got locked up in it. It's almost like getting an A on test because you cheated.
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AND?????

Last years Ed Soto Stage race I was in yellow after stage 1. The next days circuit race had a crash right in front of me. I didn't go down but I never did catch the guys that went off the front. I was pissed

Like others have said here I wouldn't instigate an attack after a crash but if there is one then you have to go with it. Personally I would not feel righteous winning a race because I attacked a crash especially when I know the real competition got locked up in it. It's almost like getting an A on test because you cheated.
Na. You didn't cheat. You knew the right answers during the test. Everybody else's pencil broke though. And you finished on time. It's not like you caught a bus or drafted behind a moped. Things happen. Fortunately for you, it didn't happen TO you.
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AND?????

Last years Ed Soto Stage race I was in yellow after stage 1. The next days circuit race had a crash right in front of me. I didn't go down but I never did catch the guys that went off the front. I was pissed

Like others have said here I wouldn't instigate an attack after a crash but if there is one then you have to go with it. Personally I would not feel righteous winning a race because I attacked a crash especially when I know the real competition got locked up in it.
It's almost like getting an A on test because you cheated.
no it's not.
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it kinda depends where in the race it happens. if it's in the middle and nothing else is goin on, i'd chill and let them get back on if they can, that's sporting. but if it's in the last turn, on the last lap of a crit, i'm gone!
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I attack after a crash because I don't have the legs or tactical ability to create the separation I need to have a shot at a decent finish. I mostly have to rely on the bad luck of others to perform well. It's important to me to be able to say I did well in a rather, rather than actually having done well. I rationalize this all by telling myself that the guys that got caught behind the crash were not as smart as me on where they positioned themselves, as I move up over the centerline when no one is looking, then duck in behind these guys on the front. I rationalize this by telling myself how slow and jerky the field is where I been sitting in most of the race. Then I yell at the guys in front to go when I hear crunching metal.
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This is a RACE...not a group ride....Attack that S%&$..........If you dont look for every advantage to get to that line first IMO you don't have a racers mentality.
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Some of this strikes me as odd, but maybe it's because I come to road from racing 'cross...and in many 'cross races there are bodies on the ground on every lap. You could spend the entire race waiting for people to stand up.
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Some of this strikes me as odd, but maybe it's because I come to road from racing 'cross...and in many 'cross races there are bodies on the ground on every lap. You could spend the entire race waiting for people to stand up.
Yeah my claim to fame is inline speedskating where bodies are always on the ground. When you hear noise of a crash its like a starting line gun shot......
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If it's behind me, yes. I'm not attacking the guy that crashed. I'm attacking the guys who are going to slow down because of it.
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Attack whenever possible under any conditions. Nobody is ever going to fault you for trying to win....sheesh
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I know i'm weak. I know I dont have the endurance. Hell ive only been riding road bikes for about 3 months. But I really wanna race, and thats what im gonna do. I wanna see just how fast I get dropped...then try to stay a little longer each time..

p.s. I do know about pack ethics and holding a line..so I am confidant in that sense.
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This is a RACE...not a group ride....Attack that S%&$..........If you dont look for every advantage to get to that line first IMO you don't have a racers mentality.
Tell me more. Please. I want to get a racer's mentality.

I won't attack a crash. You don't have to wait around, you don't have to slow down, but attacking the folks who have to slow down is a chicken**** move that says you're a chicken**** racer.

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In an RR, I'll make sure I have space, communicate that someone went down, and see what everyone else does. You'd be surprised by how who it is will affect the outcome. A well known, likeable guy? Yeah, slow down. Some d-bag? We might even speed up. I don't have any pull around here, as I'm a little worthless 2, so I just follow wheels.

In a crit, I don't think anyone actually attacks. Simply put, they speed up to keep it safe. Less shoulder to shoulder, wheel to wheel, the safer it is. Strung out at 28 is safer than rubbing knuckles at 25. A crash usually travels outwards, and by speeding up, people avoid being a domino when the plastic starts falling.
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Attack whenever possible under any conditions. Nobody is ever going to fault you for trying to win....sheesh
DONT attack right before or in a feed zone, otherwise fair game.
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