Saris/Slipstream release more pro data to geek out over
05-14-08, 02:21 PM
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Saris/Slipstream release more pro data to geek out over
The Giro TTT:
https://www.saris.com/athletes/PermaL...f043627ab.aspx
Christian Vandevelde: (350W average - negative splitting)
Millar averaged 403W before his sacrificial pull:
https://www.saris.com/athletes/PermaL...f043627ab.aspx
Christian Vandevelde: (350W average - negative splitting)
Millar averaged 403W before his sacrificial pull:
05-14-08, 02:28 PM
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I'm kind of surprised they're releasing this publicly. Aren't most pros pretty secretive about this stuff?
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05-14-08, 02:37 PM
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Yeah, me too -- it's surprising. I guess that they're selective. Short TTs don't show weaknesses that much, so I don't imagine there's much exposure there. When they start releasing power files from winning attacks in the mountains, then I'll be floored.
05-14-08, 02:47 PM
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Millars heart rate is like 175 to 180bpm avg. Wow.
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jeez, DaveZ putting out 5.63 W/kg over the TTT. Unreal. Magnus "only" mustered 4.49 w/kg
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05-14-08, 02:54 PM
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It's pretty cool, I think the speed differences between them are showing who was dropping back when. Millar's speed drops right after a power spike, then goes back up during another spike (accelerating back onto the back).
05-14-08, 02:56 PM
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You jest, but seriously, that's true. If I know my opponent's weakness is around say 5 minute power, then I'll attack him at the foot of a 5 minute climb.
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I'm surprised the numbers are that low.
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Yes.
Certainly wouldn't be lower. I'm guess I'm still expecting the 6.7 watts/kg type FTP's.
Certainly wouldn't be lower. I'm guess I'm still expecting the 6.7 watts/kg type FTP's.
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Well this was also a TTT, I think the normalized powers would be more revealing than the averages. Magnus' 4.5 w/kg would probably be closer to 5 and DaveZ's 5.6 would easily break 6...
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Avg power is definitely deceptive here - which makes it that much more impressive. I'm betting normalized power would be in the neighborhood of 30-50 watts higher. That's a pretty significant difference, ½ w/kg-ish
To think that Millar avg'd over 400 w for 20+ minutes when he wasn't on the front the whole time is amazing to think about.
To think that Millar avg'd over 400 w for 20+ minutes when he wasn't on the front the whole time is amazing to think about.
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I always find it interesting that people are so afraid to release the power numbers. I say kudos to Slipstream and Saris for being so transparent. There are a few things to realize here:
TTT - average is going to be much lower than norm.
Grand tour - Pacing is everything. This is not a one-off weekend race that these guys are resting up for. This IS training for a few weeks from now.
Pros - ride much much longer distances daily. Yeah, for something short like this their numbers will be in the realm of "normal people" but understand that it is an endurance sport. 400 watts for 20 minutes? Some of us can do that. 320 watts for 6 hours? Whole different world.
TTT - average is going to be much lower than norm.
Grand tour - Pacing is everything. This is not a one-off weekend race that these guys are resting up for. This IS training for a few weeks from now.
Pros - ride much much longer distances daily. Yeah, for something short like this their numbers will be in the realm of "normal people" but understand that it is an endurance sport. 400 watts for 20 minutes? Some of us can do that. 320 watts for 6 hours? Whole different world.
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I can't even begin to imagine what being able to average 5.6 w/kg must feel like.
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I know the normalized power will be higher than the average. I'd be surprised if it was more than 5% different, though.
Training? It's a half-hour long. Sure, you won't be peaking; but these guys are pro's.
I'm still surprised.
Training? It's a half-hour long. Sure, you won't be peaking; but these guys are pro's.
I'm still surprised.
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Mine's ~192. My average HR at a 20K TT last year was 178. I'd give you more recent numbers, but I've stopped wearing a HRM, as I don't find the numbers have any real significance.
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Particularly when you take into account the fact that Dave Z pulled maybe 15% of the time, then sat in the draft at 300w.
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For some reference David Millar was metioning (I believe on another Cyclops audio file report) that he averaged ~409 watts for an hour at the end of Stage 3 or 4 of Tour of California. Keep in mind that's after 3-4 hours of racing. I'm pretty sure his normalized power would be quite a bit higher for this TTT.
