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Old 05-08-08, 12:37 PM   #26
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For a 60 mile long Cat 5 race, I would guess, depending on terrain and your strength, somewhere between 2:45 and 3:30. If it's cool enough outside, you can get by on <20 oz per hour; if it's hot, plan on no more than 25 oz per hour. If the former, you may get away with two 750 ml bottles, if the latter try carrying a third bottle in a jersey pocket. You can also buy oversized bottles if you want to get away with just two in your cages.

While you may receive kindnesses from strangers -- I have been offered everything from cold beer to cold water by spectators at races -- don't count on them.
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For a 60 mile long Cat 5 race, I would guess, depending on terrain and your strength, somewhere between 2:45 and 3:30. If it's cool enough outside, you can get by on <20 oz per hour; if it's hot, plan on no more than 25 oz per hour. If the former, you may get away with two 750 ml bottles, if the latter try carrying a third bottle in a jersey pocket. You can also buy oversized bottles if you want to get away with just two in your cages.
While you may receive kindnesses from strangers -- I have been offered everything from cold beer to cold water by spectators at races -- don't count on them.
No kidding. I ran out of water at the Big Creek RR in Iowa a few weeks ago. BEGGED for water from the roadguards... nada!
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That's some serious volume!!!

Not that I'm saying I'm doing it right, but I normally only ever carry one bottle on road races.
I have a drinking problem
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He is neither, which is why I demand photos.

You could also use toe straps to affix large bottles to any number of places on the bike (like one, perhaps two under the saddle) and toss the empties at the feed zone.
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Anyway, we picked up a lot of discarded unclaimed bottles, and next time I think we will bring them back filled up and offer them to anyone that looks like they need water, in addition to whomever we are feeding.
This is a very kind gesture. I've been in races with 90+ degree weather and was thankful someone offered me a bottle at FZ and was able to cool myself off. I've always noticed random people offering bottles as you ride by. It's really cool that they do that.

OP - I would take an extra bottle
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That's pathetic. If I was a feeder and saw him coming, I'd be tempted to grab his hand and yank him off the road. Since I have only been fed in junior races to date (packs of 10-20), I've always wondered how it works in larger packs.
I guess "stealing" bottles seem pathetic until you're in the same situation as the racer. If you don't intend on feeding a stranger, don't hold the bottle out. As a feeder, you should watch to see if your teammates are coming. Hold it over your head, until your teammate see you and lower as he passes by.
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Weather report is for overcast with highs below 60 deg, I think I'll probably be OK with 2 large bottles this w/e, but likely to have this issue all season... I guess it's another reason to join a team next year.
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I guess "stealing" bottles seem pathetic until you're in the same situation as the racer. If you don't intend on feeding a stranger, don't hold the bottle out. As a feeder, you should watch to see if your teammates are coming. Hold it over your head, until your teammate see you and lower as he passes by.
If I didn't prepare properly, I'll withdraw from the race. It's my own fault for being stupid. Your point about what the feeder should do makes sense, but I'm imagining a pack going by and wonder how hard it would be to time it perfectly for your guy without making it possible for some dumb@$$ next to him who didn't bring enough supplies to grab it instead, especially if he's swerving around and endangering the others like the OP seems to imply.
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If I didn't prepare properly, I'll withdraw from the race. It's my own fault for being stupid. Your point about what the feeder should do makes sense, but I'm imagining a pack going by and wonder how hard it would be to time it perfectly for your guy without making it possible for some dumb@$$ next to him who didn't bring enough supplies to grab it instead, especially if he's swerving around and endangering the others like the OP seems to imply.
Generally, the FZ is located on a flat or slight uphill location. By the time riders need to feed, their well into the race and the pack has thined out. When the pack, rather a small group, comes by, it looks like Indy 500 pit stop without the stop. The group slows down a bit and the rider who need to pickup, moves to the side, riders who don't, keeps moving - usually all goes smooth and not to hard to accomplish. Yes, there will always be some dumb@$$ who will make dumb moves but there's always one or two in a catagory.
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Generally, the FZ is located on a flat or slight uphill location. By the time riders need to feed, their well into the race and the pack has thined out. When the pack, rather a small group, comes by, it looks like Indy 500 pit stop without the stop. The group slows down a bit and the rider who need to pickup, moves to the side, riders who don't, keeps moving - usually all goes smooth and not to hard to accomplish. Yes, there will always be some dumb@$$ who will make dumb moves but there's always one or two in a catagory.
This feedzone was just before the crest of a climb My teammate from whom this guy tried to grab a bottle was not holding it out, he was just holding it while we were waiting for our teammate to come by. I don't know if he was from the P/1/2 race or the cat 3 race. The cat 3 field was pretty much together, the P/1/2 field had a large group together, 7 guys in a break (driven by david clinger of rock racing) and handful of guys (including on of my teammates) in between. I'm guessing it was the cat 3 race where this happened because he was in the pack with other riders.

As an aside, I think this was only the second time I made use of a feed in a race. The first was Sea Otter, which was a neutral feed (which was nice), and this race. My wife did a great job of handing me off a bottle, although I ended up not using it.
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I guess "stealing" bottles seem pathetic until you're in the same situation as the racer. If you don't intend on feeding a stranger, don't hold the bottle out. As a feeder, you should watch to see if your teammates are coming. Hold it over your head, until your teammate see you and lower as he passes by.
Did it ever occur to you that the intended recipient could be on your wheel

Just don't do it folks it aint cool at all.
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wasnt official, usually isnt. I dont know if anyone was doing this at poolesville as I was crashed out and just cruising around - you could have picked up one of the 100 bottles laying on the road, if you were already OTB ...
I eventually did just that. After lap one, I had one bottle in my cages. By end of lap 4, I had two in my cages and two in my pockets. I was sure to grab bottles with my teams logo on them - wasn't too hard to do. Laps two and three were pretty brutal trying to get back on the pack without agua.
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Did it ever occur to you that the intended recipient could be on your wheel

Just don't do it folks it aint cool at all.
My thoughts exactly. If someone grabbed my bottle right in front of me, I'd grab the bottle out of their cage with disregard to his front wheel as I pass.
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Inexperience. If you're following somone that close in a FZ, you're asking for trouble.
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So they're supposed to space themselves out a few meters for the feed zone? Remind me to go off the front before then!
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So they're supposed to space themselves out a few meters for the feed zone? Remind me to go off the front before then!
If you attack just before or during a feed zone, everyone in the field will chase you down, including your own team.

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If you attack just before or during a feed zone, everyone in the field will chase you down, including your own team.

Respect the race.
Sarcasm I was imagining a string of 100+ riders 1/2km long. I know it wouldn't really happen that way, but isuffer's post put the image in my head.

Not that I'd succeed in ANY break attempt at the moment
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So they're supposed to space themselves out a few meters for the feed zone?
A bike length is all you need. After the grab, you regroup. In the local races, I've never seen a large group going through the FZ. Best offer I got on a FZ was an ice cold can of Coke. Very refreshing. I've heard someone being offered a beer... I've yet to encounter that one.
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A bike length is all you need. After the grab, you regroup. In the local races, I've never seen a large group going through the FZ. Best offer I got on a FZ was an ice cold can of Coke. Very refreshing. I've heard someone being offered a beer... I've yet to encounter that one.
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race is 60 miles - longest cat 5 race of the season, as far as I know. I wouldn't worry about it for a short race.

as for my wife, she'd probably do it once or twice a season, but I don't want to go to that well too often. Anyway, she's already being pretty accommodating by staying with the kids while I take the car for most of the day...
60 miles isn't that far. What will the temps be ?? Stick a 3rd bottle in your pocket and some food in the other. Or get a behind the seat bottle holder for triathlons. Personally, for 60 miles, I would drink well ahead of time & just take 2 bottles.
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I eventually did just that. After lap one, I had one bottle in my cages. By end of lap 4, I had two in my cages and two in my pockets. I was sure to grab bottles with my teams logo on them - wasn't too hard to do. Laps two and three were pretty brutal trying to get back on the pack without agua.
If your teammates had feeders out there, why didn't they feed you too? That's what teams are for!
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This feedzone was just before the crest of a climb My teammate from whom this guy tried to grab a bottle was not holding it out, he was just holding it while we were waiting for our teammate to come by. I don't know if he was from the P/1/2 race or the cat 3 race. The cat 3 field was pretty much together, the P/1/2 field had a large group together, 7 guys in a break (driven by david clinger of rock racing) and handful of guys (including on of my teammates) in between. I'm guessing it was the cat 3 race where this happened because he was in the pack with other riders.

As an aside, I think this was only the second time I made use of a feed in a race. The first was Sea Otter, which was a neutral feed (which was nice), and this race. My wife did a great job of handing me off a bottle, although I ended up not using it.

Hope i wasn't the guy you were referring to at the San Luis Rey RR. I dont think you are, but i did run out of water on the last lap and had no feeder so i just held out my hand in the feed zone desperately hoping that someone would just stick a bottle in my hand and fortunately some angel of a lady did and i didnt die. Unfortunately i didnt have a chance to thank her at the end.
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