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    Carl Cantrell: any experience with his methodology?

    His site looks interesting. Having bought a few books and more importantly buried time into reading them and trying to structure training from them, I would like to know if anyone has checked out his stuff before I sink the time.

    Anybody?
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    Have you read an applied Friel's "Cyclist's Training Bible" and Coggan/Allen's "Training and Racing with a Power Meter" ?

    Fall 2006 FTP was 275w, and I could barley muster 700w at the end of a CAT4 race.
    May 2008 FTP is over 340w, and I'm regularly hitting 1200w to finish strongly in CAT3 races.

    In between I've had three major knee surgeries. I'm on a mission from God to spread the gospel of bike apostles Friel/Coggan/Allen and the glory of SST.

    I don't see any glaring holes upon a cursory glance at the site you mentioned, but I'd really really advocate looking into the sources I mention above before anything else. The one point he seems to be a bit off on is his sort of downplaying the need for SST in the "Big Mistake" article. He seems to fail to recognize that when you raise your threshold you're also raising your ability to recover from short bursts - because you're spending less and less time above your threshold. I could be wrong about that though...and if you're going from no structure to some structure through this guy's plans you're probably going to see some gains. Generally speaking no matter who designs the plan, rest + hard work = results.
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    Thanks, Snuff! I appreciate the thoughtful reply.

    A little more on where I'm coming from. Power meter is out, it costs more than my bike, and I have kids headed for college in a few short years. I have the Lance Armstrong Performance Program, and Heart Zones Cycling by Sally Edwards and Sally Reed. The second one, if you can take it and design a training plan from it, you are way smarter than I. The LA book kinda gets you there, but not really. Of course what I'm looking for is a coach in a bottle so to speak, but you wouldn't think it would be that hard for someone to author a book that says "Do This". I flipped thoroughly thru Friel's at the library, asking myself "Can I intelligently design a training program with this book", and couldn't see it happening with his much lauded tome, though I could be wrong. I've had enough conceptualizing and goddamn acronyms, and want applicable info. This sport is replete with charts that read graphs.

    That's what I liked about Cantrell's approach, his "get your ass out on the bike" attitude. What I'm wondering is if he's for real.
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    On designing a program from Friel:

    I think what's important is to read through the book once, cover to cover (I skipped the juniors/womens/masters and skimmed the stage race sections) and then work at designing a plan. You have to first figure out what his various workout acronyms mean. In essence it's just a periodized plan, the likes of which have found favor in sports really for the last 40+ years.

    You then look at the acronyms and figure out that they just mean sprints/hill repeats/TT efforts/SST/races/group rides/endurance/recovery/strength training. Work those workouts into the weekly plans given, and adjust the duration to the hours outlined in the plan and the realities of your life. Honestly, I think one of the most important components of Friel is the emphasis on recovery weeks every 3ish weeks, and the fact that he says early in the book that 1st/2nd season racers don't need a training plan, they just need to ride and race their asses off to see what works for them.

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    edit: we must have been typing at the same time lol. Muchas gracias!
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    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus View Post
    Have you read an applied Friel's "Cyclist's Training Bible" and Coggan/Allen's "Training and Racing with a Power Meter" ?
    I just bought a PT and Coggan's book, is it worth it to get Friel also?

    thanks
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    Yes

    Coggan/Allen's book doesn't focus as much on designing your season and assumes a greater knowledge of cycling training.

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