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    my TT position - take 1

    ignore the fact that i am a ****** and yes i know sleeve-less jerseys are for weirdos. now that that is out of the way, what can i do to make my position better (besides losing another 40 pounds). i finished building the bike yesterday and got it out for its first ride today. im very comfortable in this position so far.




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    Looks reasonable to me. How's your flexibility?
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    Honestly it looks pretty good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElJamoquio View Post
    Looks reasonable to me. How's your flexibility?
    pretty terrible to be honest. i have really tight hamstrings but ive been working on stretching them more often. its never hindered me when riding a bike though.

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    What are you looking at? Get your head down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curiouskid55 View Post
    What are you looking at? Get your head down.
    im looking at whats in front of me. i was under the impression that keeping your head up so that the aero-helmet flows with your back was the way to do it.

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    Would like to see the pictures at somewhere between bar and saddle level. Hard to tell when the picture is shot at a downward angle.

    Having said that, if you feel comfortable with it, you can drop spacers out and get the stem lower. Doesn't look like your torso is compromising your knees (and thus pedal stroke) yet, and you do seem to have room. From this angle your base bar looks like i needs to be leveled but maybe not.

    And in general, get your head in front of your torso, not above it. It creates a LOT of drag.

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    thanx Doc.

    the only problem ide have with going lower in the front is my thighs hitting my belly even more than they already do. when i test fit the bike yesterday i was comfortable with no spacers but decided to toss one in there before cutting the steerer (i can always cut more if i need to, but cant add any back on). i might just have to wait until i slim down some more to drop the bars any lower.

    my basebar is not adjustable. all one piece.

    so i should try to lower my head more but keep my eyes up?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Edonis13 View Post
    thanx Doc.

    the only problem ide have with going lower in the front is my thighs hitting my belly even more than they already do. when i test fit the bike yesterday i was comfortable with no spacers but decided to toss one in there before cutting the steerer (i can always cut more if i need to, but cant add any back on). i might just have to wait until i slim down some more to drop the bars any lower.

    my basebar is not adjustable. all one piece.


    so i should try to lower my head more but keep my eyes up?
    Yes. Imagine that you're trying to touch your hands with your chin,that should bring your neck down and 'turtle' your head. Try to focus on the road about 10-15 feet ahead of you and if you need to look up, look through the top of your sunglasses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by esammuli View Post
    Yes. Imagine that you're trying to touch your hands with your chin,that should bring your neck down and 'turtle' your head. Try to focus on the road about 10-15 feet ahead of you and if you need to look up, look through the top of your sunglasses.
    that should be do-able. thanx.

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    Take off the valve caps from your wheels. That'll find you another 5 mph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWJODonnell View Post
    Would like to see the pictures at somewhere between bar and saddle level. Hard to tell when the picture is shot at a downward angle.
    +1 have the photographer squat down so your near forearm is obscuring your far one.

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    Sorry, double post. For me this is the gold-standard; by that I mean, when I'm in doubt, I go back to Z's TT position when he won Nationals.

    http://www.zipp.com/portals/0/Zabris...y%20gibson.jpg


    Notice the proximity of the knee and elbow. Also he has room to go lower, but he hasn't. It's a power tradeoff. Z has the luxury of the wind tunnel and we don't so you have to experiment with that. At a certain point, your power will go down; and even though you're lower, you're slower -- more aero, but less sustainable power.

    Also these positions have to be tried on the road. I experienced that last year. I had my position really dialed on the trainer but on the road it was different. Well into a time trial, when I am really suffering, I have a tendency to raise my head, which brings my torso up slightly and suddenly I'm catching wind. I'm too "tunnel vision" to notice but that essentially is the result.

    I have a friend who has been working for years with all these variables to get his TT position perfected. He simply can't get any lower (in fact, pacelining with him, it's evident that he is actually pointed down, believe it or not) or more 'tight' in the front-facing profile.

    So for me, looking at what you've got now, although these minor quibbles can be made, you've got a really good initial point from which to begin experimentation. FWIW, my friend, myself, and all the very strong TT guys around here (that I've asked) don't stretch. I don't think the position if set up properly really requires a contortionists act to achieve. You may wish to stretch to prevent injury but I wouldn't say it will help your position.
    Last edited by Stallionforce; 05-23-08 at 09:42 PM. Reason: couldn't get photo to link

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stallionforce View Post
    Notice the proximity of the knee and elbow. Also he has room to go lower, but he hasn't. It's a power tradeoff.
    Not necessarily. Having the shoulders too low (usually around the point the scapula begins to slope down) can raise drag compared to a higher position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stallionforce View Post
    So for me, looking at what you've got now, although these minor quibbles can be made, you've got a really good initial point from which to begin experimentation.
    sweet! thanx dude! i think im going to keep it the way it is and not mess with it for a couple weeks because im thinking of signing up for a 31k TT on June 1st and my first tri of the season will be the next weekend. ill probably wait till after that to mess around with my postion. i think that will give me enough time to decide if i want to try going lower in the front.

    thanx guys!

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