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    CBR Memorial Day Crit Who's In?

    I'm doing the 30+ 3/4.

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    Not me. I plan on spending the day with the wife. Good thing too, because today's crit confirmed that I am not in race shape. I've been neglecting intervals too often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by urbanknight View Post
    Not me. I plan on spending the day with the wife. Good thing too, because today's crit confirmed that I am not in race shape. I've been neglecting intervals too often.
    Did you do Barry Wolfe? Was there a big turnout?

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    Hi,

    I think you already know that I'm doing the 50+ and 40+ 1/2/3. genedoc might be there too. If he shows he said he'll do the same races as me.
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    In for Cat4 and 30+ 3/4. My first full 4 and 3/4 race. I'm in for a big suprise!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Diablo Rojo View Post
    Did you do Barry Wolfe? Was there a big turnout?
    Yeah I did Barry Wolfe. It didn't look like full fields to me, but there were still 3 or 4 crashes in the Cat 4 race. I should be thankful I was off the back so early as I might have been in one of them. I would stick to road races only but that would make a pretty sparse season.

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    I am in for 4s.
    I see hills.... Bring them on!!!
    Stay calm and bring a towel.

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    Well survived another CBR crit. I got third on first and third prims, and lead out a teammate for second. I think he got first. With one lap to go there was a crash. All I saw were bikes flying in the air, from the corner of my eye. We were on a straightaway! Just couldn't get back in to it afterwards. Was in pretty crappy position for final sprint, and lost few places because someone in front of me seatup right in front of the finish line.... Overall pace was really easy. Last weeks Ontario crit was more difficult.
    I see hills.... Bring them on!!!
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    What category were you in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by urbanknight View Post
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    I see hills.... Bring them on!!!
    Stay calm and bring a towel.

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    So here is the report from the 30+ 3/4 race today. Cluster F@#ck. I could stop there but I'll fill in the blanks.

    We were well represented with seven PAA guys.

    So I got really sick after San Dimas and have been trying to get some fitness back. I didn't think today would be much of a race for me and was really hoping not to get dropped and pulled. Well the legs are a bit better than I expected and things were going well. The race was pretty well ridden by most for the first 38min, then with 5 laps to go many became brain dead. Part of this was because there were several teams that kept the pace high and guys were tired. Two of my teammates and myself stayed up front and did some work but didn't burn ourselves up. Things were progressing nicely. Then on the finish straight just before start/finish and bell lap came the sound. You know it, it's the sound of metal carbon and skin on pavement. Yes on a perfectly straight road that was 3 lanes wide there was a crash, a big one. I later found out that Nathan, one of my teammates, was down and hurt.

    Now I was in the front 6 or seven with two teammates so we were unscathed and and unaware of the carnage. As we exited turn one, Helen's sent their train to the front and pulled like mad. The speed was high as we entered turn 3, my teammate Brian got pushed to the inside and put me in the curb just as a Helen's guy chopped my front wheel and we made contact. I saved it but dropped back 5 wheels. I got my speed back up and caught on and came out of turn 4 in the top 6. Started my sprint and then everyone sat up. Turns out that the crash was pretty bad and they shut down the last 100m. So all that work, great position for Brian, Robert and myself, easily a top 10 for all three of us (probably higher my legs felt awesome) and we are shut down. So they decide to give us two more laps to finish it. Brian got me to the front as we exited turn one after the start and I had good position in turn 3 on the last lap. This tool from Banning's Bike decides to sit up in the middle of corner so to avoid hitting him I had to go left and he just drifts over and I had to grab the brakes. I was top 4 or 5 now I'm like 30th. Through turn 4 I pull way over to the right let the pack fight it out.

    They really should have sent someone over to turn three to neutralize us instead of having us all lay it all out for nothing. Really bad management by the officials. On top of this the Banning guy starts yelling at me to learn to ride my bike. This fat f$%k pulls up in the middle of corner with 30+ guys on his wheel and I'm the idiot. Priceless.

    The good news is that although I'm far from ideal fitness I rode really strong today and was never in any difficulty. Given todays fitness test I'm looking forward to Glendale and San Fernando.
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    I saw the crash, easily the worst crash I have seen. Saw bikes 15 feet up in the air. About the finish: the officials did try to stop the race and had people in turn 4 yelling at people and people all over the finish straight trying to wave people down, It's not like they have a megaphone over the entire course.
    My race report: Took a solo flyer with about 20 min to go and caught with 2 to go, then I got caught behind a crash with 1 to go and managed to latch back on the field but could not move up. Finished mid pack.
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    Seems to be a trend here. Pretty much the same thing happened today at CAT4, and last time at Anger Management crit.
    Quote Originally Posted by El Diablo Rojo View Post
    So here is the report from the 30+ 3/4 race today. Cluster F@#ck. I could stop there but I'll fill in the blanks.

    We were well represented with seven PAA guys.

    So I got really sick after San Dimas and have been trying to get some fitness back. I didn't think today would be much of a race for me and was really hoping not to get dropped and pulled. Well the legs are a bit better than I expected and things were going well. The race was pretty well ridden by most for the first 38min, then with 5 laps to go many became brain dead. Part of this was because there were several teams that kept the pace high and guys were tired. Two of my teammates and myself stayed up front and did some work but didn't burn ourselves up. Things were progressing nicely. Then on the finish straight just before start/finish and bell lap came the sound. You know it, it's the sound of metal carbon and skin on pavement. Yes on a perfectly straight road that was 3 lanes wide there was a crash, a big one. I later found out that Nathan, one of my teammates, was down and hurt.

    Now I was in the front 6 or seven with two teammates so we were unscathed and and unaware of the carnage. As we exited turn one, Helen's sent their train to the front and pulled like mad. The speed was high as we entered turn 3, my teammate Brian got pushed to the inside and put me in the curb just as a Helen's guy chopped my front wheel and we made contact. I saved it but dropped back 5 wheels. I got my speed back up and caught on and came out of turn 4 in the top 6. Started my sprint and then everyone sat up. Turns out that the crash was pretty bad and they shut down the last 100m. So all that work, great position for Brian, Robert and myself, easily a top 10 for all three of us (probably higher my legs felt awesome) and we are shut down. So they decide to give us two more laps to finish it. Brian got me to the front as we exited turn one after the start and I had good position in turn 3 on the last lap. This tool from Banning's Bike decides to sit up in the middle of corner so to avoid hitting him I had to go left and he just drifts over and I had to grab the brakes. I was top 4 or 5 now I'm like 30th. Through turn 4 I pull way over to the right let the pack fight it out.

    They really should have sent someone over to turn three to neutralize us instead of having us all lay it all out for nothing. Really bad management by the officials. On top of this the Banning guy starts yelling at me to learn to ride my bike. This fat f$%k pulls up in the middle of corner with 30+ guys on his wheel and I'm the idiot. Priceless.

    The good news is that although I'm far from ideal fitness I rode really strong today and was never in any difficulty. Given todays fitness test I'm looking forward to Glendale and San Fernando.
    I see hills.... Bring them on!!!
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    I was involved in both crashes Cat 4 and the 30+ 3/4. This was my race as a Cat 4 so I felt good at the starting line.. Everything was going fine for me in this race. I was expecting to be blown out the but I kept in the middle and moved around the pack. This is the second race my daughter has seen me race and hearing her scream "Go Daddy" with each lap only pushed me to get to the front. The last lap I knew it was time for me to move up to at least 15 riders back since my goal of this race was just to be in the Top 20. Well in the second to last turn the crash happened. I ran into the Bike Barn rider that went down.. I actually rammed my bike into his back and was expecting to flip over the handlebars. Luckily I was able to keep my balance and stay upright yet he was pretty banged up and his carbon Tarmac was sliced in half!!! He said that someone chopped his wheel while trying to pass on the inside. I've seen this guy race in the past and he's a beast on the bike so I know it had to be someone else that caused the accident. Well, my Cat 4 race ended there. I made a few jokes and rushed back to my team and wife to let them know that I was alright.... It's racing and crashes happen so I was just feeling good for not hitting pavement.

    Now, My 3/4 race. The only reason I signed up for this race was to see how many laps I'll last. Again, in this race I moved around the pack and was feeling good. I even got to the front of the pack. Something I rarely did as a Cat5. I survived until the second to last lap when the crash happened and just my luck I ran into the guy that was on the ground and luckily I was able to keep my balanace while endoing(same in the 4's race) and barley missing my balls. I stayed upright but I was fuming mad cause this was the second crash I was involved in and I was so close to finishing. The exact same type of crash with the only difference being that it was the opposite side of the course. I walked away from the crash a little pissed that I was doing so well racing with guys much stronger than me and was able to hang on. I was ready to pack up and just go home to cool off until my teammates came running to me to tell me that the announcer announced that the racers from the last race were allowed to race another two laps to decide placings. Now I'm running back to get my bike(teammate took it from me after the crash) and rushing back to the line and ready to finish my first 3/4 race. I finished with the pack. They only list 20 so I have no idea where I placed.. Honestly I don't care. My only goal for this race was to finish my first 3/4 race.

    Now it's time for me to HTFU so my next race won't be about surviving but being in contention.
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    Eh... if his front wheel was chopped then someone wasn't trying to pass they already passed him, and he probably was where he shouldn't have been. Also the crash happened on the straightaway... So I am guessing he was overlapping wheels, someone swerved and well the rest is a history written on these forums.

    Quote Originally Posted by tbrown524 View Post
    I was involved in both crashes Cat 4 and the 30+ 3/4. This was my race as a Cat 4 so I felt good at the starting line.. Everything was going fine for me in this race. I was expecting to be blown out the but I kept in the middle and moved around the pack. This is the second race my daughter has seen me race and hearing her scream "Go Daddy" with each lap only pushed me to get to the front. The last lap I knew it was time for me to move up to at least 15 riders back since my goal of this race was just to be in the Top 20. Well in the second to last turn the crash happened. I ran into the Bike Barn rider that went down.. I actually rammed my bike into his back and was expecting to flip over the handlebars. Luckily I was able to keep my balance and stay upright yet he was pretty banged up and his carbon Tarmac was sliced in half!!! He said that someone chopped his wheel while trying to pass on the inside. I've seen this guy race in the past and he's a beast on the bike so I know it had to be someone else that caused the accident. Well, my Cat 4 race ended there. I made a few jokes and rushed back to my team and wife to let them know that I was alright.... It's racing and crashes happen so I was just feeling good for not hitting pavement.

    Now, My 3/4 race. The only reason I signed up for this race was to see how many laps I'll last. Again, in this race I moved around the pack and was feeling good. I even got to the front of the pack. Something I rarely did as a Cat5. I survived until the second to last lap when the crash happened and just my luck I ran into the guy that was on the ground and luckily I was able to keep my balanace while endoing(same in the 4's race) and barley missing my balls. I stayed upright but I was fuming mad cause this was the second crash I was involved in and I was so close to finishing. The exact same type of crash with the only difference being that it was the opposite side of the course. I walked away from the crash a little pissed that I was doing so well racing with guys much stronger than me and was able to hang on. I was ready to pack up and just go home to cool off until my teammates came running to me to tell me that the announcer announced that the racers from the last race were allowed to race another two laps to decide placings. Now I'm running back to get my bike(teammate took it from me after the crash) and rushing back to the line and ready to finish my first 3/4 race. I finished with the pack. They only list 20 so I have no idea where I placed.. Honestly I don't care. My only goal for this race was to finish my first 3/4 race.

    Now it's time for me to HTFU so my next race won't be about surviving but being in contention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UmneyDurak View Post
    Eh... if his front wheel was chopped then someone wasn't trying to pass they already passed him, and he probably was where he shouldn't have been. Also the crash happened on the straightaway... So I am guessing he was overlapping wheels, someone swerved and well the rest is a history written on these forums.
    Crash happend in the beginning of turn three right near the grate in that turn. I ride there every Thursday so I'm pretty familiar with the couse.
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    I was in the 30+/4-5 and the 3/4 races. Did alot of work in the 30+. I came away from Barry Wolfe feeling good and happy with my condition. So I made a promise to try something today. I tried to go with about 2 or 3 breaks and try to get them working otgether. Unfortunately, I give off such a big draft, I just basically pull the whole field up to them. I'll have to go for a more clean break from the field next time Couple o' crashes, didn't sound like anything too serious, unlike the 3/4's. At the end, SSDD: get swarmed by riders on both sides in last lap (between turns 2 & 3), can't get out to move up, even though I had the legs to get up front. So I'm stuck back in like 20-30th spots. Manage 20th in the sprint. That's a long run to the line from turn 4 whewwww...

    3/4's: Did very well. After the effort in the 4/5's I was just gonna try and hang on. But I learned awhile ago it's easier to hang on when you're near the front. So, that's where I stayed for about 2/3rds of the race. Then, I got a bit tired, faded back a bit to recoup. Scary with everyone not holdiing a solid line. We all seemed a little twitchy. So about 5 to go, let's get back up front. Try to help out my cat 3 teammate (Jon) and give him my wheel to move up. We did a little bit. But, he's in much better shape than me. He just pedals quick and shoots forward. Amazing. I'm a diesel-chugging tank compared to his high octane mazaratti. Crash happened, they call the race. Then, as we're pedalling it out down the course, "Let's restart!" Back to the line. And all the guys who had gotten gapped for the finish are now back in contention. I try to stay near the front for these, but slowly drift back, again trying to help Jon. Couple o' Cal-Pools guys move forward and I jump on their wheels. First guy pulls off. Second accelerates around left to the front and swings in, suicidal-like to the front. Not nice and easy, mind you, aware that he could hit someone else who may be trying to sprint, but looking-almost-totally out of control (apparently he wasn't though). I'm so amazed that his rear wheel didn't clip anyone's front. For what? $75? Amazing. I guess I don't have that kind of killer instinct and I hope it's not like that all the time in Cat 3's. If it is, I guess I'll probably always be pack-fodder. I realize my folly and sit-up coming out of turn 4 for a pack finish, although working better in each race than I thought I would have (did the Heartbreak Hundred KOM on Saturday--so was expecting nothing in the legs yesterday or today).

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Diablo Rojo View Post
    So here is the report from the 30+ 3/4 race today. Cluster F@#ck. I could stop there but I'll fill in the blanks.

    We were well represented with seven PAA guys.

    So I got really sick after San Dimas and have been trying to get some fitness back. I didn't think today would be much of a race for me and was really hoping not to get dropped and pulled. Well the legs are a bit better than I expected and things were going well. The race was pretty well ridden by most for the first 38min, then with 5 laps to go many became brain dead. Part of this was because there were several teams that kept the pace high and guys were tired. Two of my teammates and myself stayed up front and did some work but didn't burn ourselves up. Things were progressing nicely. Then on the finish straight just before start/finish and bell lap came the sound. You know it, it's the sound of metal carbon and skin on pavement. Yes on a perfectly straight road that was 3 lanes wide there was a crash, a big one. I later found out that Nathan, one of my teammates, was down and hurt.

    Now I was in the front 6 or seven with two teammates so we were unscathed and and unaware of the carnage. As we exited turn one, Helen's sent their train to the front and pulled like mad. The speed was high as we entered turn 3, my teammate Brian got pushed to the inside and put me in the curb just as a Helen's guy chopped my front wheel and we made contact. I saved it but dropped back 5 wheels. I got my speed back up and caught on and came out of turn 4 in the top 6. Started my sprint and then everyone sat up. Turns out that the crash was pretty bad and they shut down the last 100m. So all that work, great position for Brian, Robert and myself, easily a top 10 for all three of us (probably higher my legs felt awesome) and we are shut down. So they decide to give us two more laps to finish it. Brian got me to the front as we exited turn one after the start and I had good position in turn 3 on the last lap. This tool from Banning's Bike decides to sit up in the middle of corner so to avoid hitting him I had to go left and he just drifts over and I had to grab the brakes. I was top 4 or 5 now I'm like 30th. Through turn 4 I pull way over to the right let the pack fight it out.

    They really should have sent someone over to turn three to neutralize us instead of having us all lay it all out for nothing. Really bad management by the officials. On top of this the Banning guy starts yelling at me to learn to ride my bike. This fat f$%k pulls up in the middle of corner with 30+ guys on his wheel and I'm the idiot. Priceless.

    The good news is that although I'm far from ideal fitness I rode really strong today and was never in any difficulty. Given todays fitness test I'm looking forward to Glendale and San Fernando.
    Hi EDR,

    I was standing in the staging area just before start-finish and to corroborate what merckx89 stated, the announcer was yelling through the PA system at the pack to neutralize (I knew the pack couldn't hear) and Chris was yelling through his megaphone for the corner marshals to stop the field (like I would stand in front of a pack of 3/4s heading towards the field sprint ). What I thought was bad was the lead riders kept sprinting past the people who were trying to slow them down and a few went past the fallen rider at considerable speed. Obviously a bunch of people standing in the road waving their arms was not enough for some to figure out that something was wrong.

    I also witnessed the crash up close and personal. I'm not sure why there was a prime sprint coming up to the bell (used to be against the rules for running a race), but the pack was not really doing much. One guy came sprinting up the left side of the pack and it seemed like that woke up some people. Unfortunately a bunch of them were still asleep or people switched lanes quickly to try to react to the accelerations at the front. Anyway it was like slow motion. A couple of guys went down and then more people piled in and a bike or two went flying through the air. An airborne bike took out the barricade in front of the announcer's stand. One of my teammates came to a complete stop behind the crash, the other made it around the falling bodies.

    My races went reasonably well. Was off the front several times in the Masters 50+ race (right before yours, EDR). Was in the break that produced the winner of the first prime. I was hoping to get it since I need some bike cleaning supplies. It didn't seem like anything was going to stick today. Also us old guys decided to take a "nap" for a couple of laps near thend of the race. I spent the end of the race as pack fodder to save something for the next race. Race distance 17.4 miles, average speed: 26.3 MPH.

    The Masters 40+ 1/2/3 race had a bunch of slugs like Thurlow Rogers and Rich Meeker (to name a few) in it. We started late because of the aforementioned "shenanigans" by the 30+ 3/4 guys. The pace started pretty hot and stayed hot. Looking at my Garmin data, we had a couple of slow 26+ MPH laps but I never saw the front of the race. I worked my way near the front of the pack over several laps at one point, but there were some surges and the next thing I knew I was at the back again. The interesting thing is that being pure pack fodder with these fast guys was easier than trying to beat a bunch of old guys (like me). My teammates who were in the 30+ 3/4 race said that the 40+ race was much better overall -- even discounting the big crash. Race distance (shortened due to late start): 19.1 miles, average speed: 28.1 MPH.

    Only other BF racer that I spoke with was Groupetto. I saw Chucklehead in the parking lot when I was driving in looking for my teammates.
    Last edited by Cleave; 05-26-08 at 08:32 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UmneyDurak View Post
    Eh... if his front wheel was chopped then someone wasn't trying to pass they already passed him, and he probably was where he shouldn't have been. Also the crash happened on the straightaway... So I am guessing he was overlapping wheels, someone swerved and well the rest is a history written on these forums.
    I've had this happen to me also, and I can say that what you say might sometimes be the case but not always. In my case, a guy who was riding next to me tried to take the wheel I was on and since there was no space for him to get in I had to try to brake and get out of the paceline to keep from going down and the idiot still slapped his rear wheel into my front wheel. I stayed up somehow...
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    I don't want to start any rumors, but I heard that the guy that dove up the inside reached out and pushed the first rider that went down out of the way. (from his teammates). Take that for what you will.
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    I was there. Took 4th in Elite 5... had a blast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merckx89 View Post
    I saw the crash, easily the worst crash I have seen. Saw bikes 15 feet up in the air. About the finish: the officials did try to stop the race and had people in turn 4 yelling at people and people all over the finish straight trying to wave people down, It's not like they have a megaphone over the entire course.
    My race report: Took a solo flyer with about 20 min to go and caught with 2 to go, then I got caught behind a crash with 1 to go and managed to latch back on the field but could not move up. Finished mid pack.
    We didn't see anyone yelling or waiving their arms until we came through T4. Once on the front straight you could see everyone waiving and the majority of us sat up. My point was that they should have had us neutralized before T4.

    In the end it the results don't really matter at least two guys really got hurt bad, one being my teammate Nathan. Multiple fractures of his clavicle.

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    They tried, but as others have said, it's not easy to just "neutralize" a 3/4's field that's barreling down on a sprint. From what I could see they did their best to try.
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