CastIron

Seems to me that race promoters don't like to send results on to USAC in a timely manner, if at all. Am I the only one who finds this ridiculously vexing? Is the process somehow that onerous?

Please, enlighten me.

Duke of Kent

Newsflash:

2/3rds of races never get reported. If not more. It's up to you to keep records.

CastIron

Ok, fine. But why? Why have a license to race and a permit to run one? Doesn't it just devolve into a charity ride with chip timing if that's how it's going to be?

Duke of Kent

I'm afraid I don't get what you mean.

You apply for and receive a new license at the start of every year. This is your permission to race. You show this to the proper person at race registration and prize collection, each and every time.

Why do you need someone else to keep track of your results?

What does a result on a computer screen do for you?

When I got my 3-->2 upgrade, not a single result of mine was on the USAC website. Yet, I still got it. As if by some strange form of upgrade magic, poof, it appeared.

That, or the upgrade rep is local, like most upgrade reps, and knew where to get/confirm my results.

CastIron

Point being, why bother with all this system and licensing and permits and such if it's all for naught?

curiouskid55

Why don't you volunteer,(along with 95% of the other people "working" the event) to make sure all the results are accurately recorded and reported?

dmotoguy

the licensing and permits are not to keep track of results.. its to keep our asses insured and racing.

badfishgood

Yeah, it's like having a website the says "UNDER CONSTRUCTION" F-ing useless, why even have one?

Agreed.

dmotoguy

this thread made me check my results...



I'm number 1 !

caloso

Hey now! Us Number 1's gotta stick together.

king-tony

No idea why this happens. In TN they are very good at submitting results. The Georgia Cup, not good at all. I did the Asheville TT series last week and the results were up on the USAC site the next day. It is not that hard it is just poor event promotion. I think USAC should quit permitting promoters who do not submit results. It takes 2 minutes to do this...

obra3

Move to Oregon. Some races we have results up within 4 hours after race end (and that's with races with over 75 people per field).

carpediemracing 

USAC issues licenses. Part of what makes a license a license is its accuracy. If your name or team are wrong, you'd make sure you correct it. However, if your category is not what it should be, that's a different problem altogether.

Not sending in results to USAC makes it hard to keep track of what racers are doing where. For example, if I wanted to sandbag, I can select races I know won't be reported to USAC. In turn USAC won't know I've racked up 250 points in first and second places (I wish, but this is the case for a racer out there). I won't be forced to upgrade and I can continue my money earning winning ways. This "enter non-USAC reported races" is one of the sandbagging tactics out there.

A related one is to do a race that is reported to USAC and then DNF. Then claim work, life, etc has cut into training time and request a downgrade. This uses the reporting system to enable sandbagging.

For consistency sake, and to make licenses issued by the USAC accurate, the USAC should require all results be reported, else the "credit" for the race doesn't count. It doesn't take a lot, but it can be a pain for a promoter who is not set up on a spreadsheet or similar.

cdr

rizz

So far I've been in six official crits and I don't have a single result on the website. It really would be nice if all results were posted.

One event I attended a check in person and myself were talking and he mentioned that the website they used for preregistration sent them a completed spreadsheet with all the rider information included. How tough could it be to assign places to that same sheet and submit it? I'm sure they don't use exactly the same format, but I can't imagine it'd be too difficult to whip into shape.

Perhaps its time to file a grievance with the union and demand better reporting and upgrade/downgrade enforcement.

CastIron

From USAC:

Quote:

Event Promoters

* Agree to submit race results in the 21 days following the conclusion of the event.
* Recognize that should a promoter not live up to this agreement, action may be taken by USAC on future sanctioning of events.

So, it's required and I see a lot of poor excuses for it not being done, but I'm still curious why it's so pervasive. All the trouble everyone goes through and at the end to miss the boat with one simple thing. After all, racing is about results.

cmh

+1 for OBRA!

Not only are all the races reported promptly, but they are all posted on a clickable results page on the OBRA website. Looking at any race results, you can click on a racer and see all of thier results for the past few years. It is really cool for sizing up your competition and figuring out how many points you have accumulated. The only downside is that it doesn't total your upgrade points for you - this is no big deal, of course.

caloso

Going to be in Jacksonville later this summer. Any OBRA races in the Medford area coming up?

Brian Ratliff

^^^
Not sure, but here's the schedule: https://app.obra.org/schedule

Robobo1

And, you know, it seems to be a problem in our region, CastIron. Much more so than MABRA, my old region. I did a race in Iowa in early April that is still not up on USAC.

CastIron

7 races in the last year. One posted. Stranger still, it's from a race that I raced twice. So even that's screwed up.

obra3

This may be coming down the pike. Just have some higher priorities at the moment.

Youngin

I'll agree, I've raced in about 13 races this year, nothing. Maybe MN is just bad.

dadof7

i promote a race in ohio, and try to get the results on asap. Can't do it the same day due to running and tearing down race. i am not terribly computer capable and it is a slow laborious task for me. But, i do it within the week. There are no excuses not to. Some of my own races i have done were never reported, i am not thrilled with that promoter and will avoid his races...

ridethecliche

Are you a 4 yet?

Robobo1

Like Youngin, I've got enough for my upgrade. Have I heard back from the upgrade dude here in MN? Nope!