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Old 06-12-08, 07:39 AM   #1
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new aero felt frame = the new soloist?

here's the link with some low quality pictures on slowtwitch:

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/Slowtwit...ew!)_P1834004/

even through the pixelation, i can tell that the bike is s'wheat.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos.ph...ANCAISEDESJEUX

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Sweet! I was hoping for a new frame for next year... We're sponsored by them and I've been waiting to pull the trigger on a Felt until the '09's came out!
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Sweet! I was hoping for a new frame for next year... We're sponsored by them and I've been waiting to pull the trigger on a Felt until the '09's came out!
What frames can you guys get? Were sponsored by Felt as well but can only get the Felt FC "team"... Really wanted a deal on the B2 TT frame but no luck
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Felt's really upping their game. So quality products lately.
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I look forward to seeing how it compares to the soloist.
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^^ overall, or in the wind tunnel?
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If we're looking overall, then you have to consider that the Cervelos are fugly (exceptions being the new frames that are all black, all white, or the new P2.... The P3's and the most frames that aren't '08's are god awful ugly). Plus, the paint quality on the Cervelos is absolutely terrible.

That aside... I'm sure it will do just fine against the P3 if they've done their homework. It might not beat it, but it gives another option to the Soloist. The new B2's wind tunnel results show it fairly close to the P3 (though, arguably, not beating it, and also without a rider on board, I believe).

That said, I'm really not sold on the whole needing aerodynamics on a road bike. TT bike, yes. And no, I'm not arguing it wouldn't help, anything helps. In the grand scheme of things, though, I'd rather be on a road bike that puts me in the most powerful and aero position than one that has the most aero tubes.
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That bike almost looks like their new Tk1 Track bike that Tylor Phinney

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If we're looking overall, then you have to consider that the Cervelos are fugly (exceptions being the new frames that are all black, all white, or the new P2.... The P3's and the most frames that aren't '08's are god awful ugly).
...In the eye of the beholder. I really dislike some (I'm thinking of one in particular) other, non-Cervelo, high-end bikes, but they seem to get some others on the forum rather moist.

I personally like Cervelos. I would prefer they do a ****ty-finish, nude carbon version; but hey, you don't get your druthers all the time.
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Hey... I like my 'velo ('08 P2C), but it's the only one I like in looks except for the SLC-SL, R3, and R3-SL.
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If we're looking overall, then you have to consider that the Cervelos are fugly (exceptions being the new frames that are all black, all white, or the new P2.... The P3's and the most frames that aren't '08's are god awful ugly). Plus, the paint quality on the Cervelos is absolutely terrible.

That aside... I'm sure it will do just fine against the P3 if they've done their homework. It might not beat it, but it gives another option to the Soloist. The new B2's wind tunnel results show it fairly close to the P3 (though, arguably, not beating it, and also without a rider on board, I believe).

That said, I'm really not sold on the whole needing aerodynamics on a road bike. TT bike, yes. And no, I'm not arguing it wouldn't help, anything helps. In the grand scheme of things, though, I'd rather be on a road bike that puts me in the most powerful and aero position than one that has the most aero tubes.
While I agree on the "most powerful and aero position" vs. "most aero tubes" I might be naive in thinking that pretty much across the board, for MOST people, you can get the exact same position to within a few millimeters through the use of seat adjustments, and stack/reach sdjustments at the stem. As such, the only difference (ignoring stiffness, vertical compliance, blah blah) from one bike to the next besides look (and the previously ignored 'feel') is aerodynamics.

Considering that cycling resistance is made up of a combo of rolling resistance and wind resistance, even in a pack,and when not pounding out threshold wattages, better aerodynamics saves energy. Why would you consider that not important?

And then there are the guys like myself who are constantly on or off the front. Aero is VERY important. And to point it out yet again, When Cancellara took the stage from the sprinters in the tour, it was probably possible because of the aerodynamics of the bike that he held them off (Cervelo did the calculations...I don't have the link).
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And to point it out yet again, When Cancellara took the stage from the sprinters in the tour, it was probably possible because of the aerodynamics of the bike that he held them off (Cervelo did the calculations...I don't have the link).
I think you're mis-remembering that calculation - or perhaps I am.

From memory, the frame saved him 'X' seconds (I remember 9?). But that doesn't take into account how the pack would start chasing sooner...

...the bottom line is that he was in the pack, then broke away, from my memory. He was already caught, and won by a few seconds(?). The frame didn't make a difference.
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oh please, Cancellara's frame/wheels didn't win him that stage, or MSR. Cancellara won that ****.
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I'm just not convinced that the effect of an aero frame is worth much. I'd argue your wheels and stuff like that make a bigger difference.
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During the road stages of the Tour, Fabian (just like most of his colleagues) rides the SLC-SL. As light or lighter than all but two of the frames used by his competitors (the R3 SL being one of the two other frames), the SLC-SL has another feature that makes it ideal for efforts like on stage 3: its aerodynamics. When you are out in front by yourself, Fabian Cancellara on his SLC-SL creates 3% less drag than he would on a standard, round-tubed frame (you can see photos of Fabian on a regular Soloist Carbon in the tunnel at left; aerodynamically there is no difference between the two bikes). 3% may not sound like that much, but over the kilometer he soloed that works out to around 10 meters, which makes a huge difference.
Cancellara wins because he wins. He is a beast of a rider. However, if the math above is correct, if he had been 30 feet back, he would not have won that stage (TdF...I can't remember how close MSR was)
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Cancellara wins because he wins. He is a beast of a rider. However, if the math above is correct, if he had been 30 feet back, he would not have won that stage (TdF...I can't remember how close MSR was)
Hmm, maybe I was remembering 9 meters rather than 9 seconds. I stand corrected.
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i cant say i feel any advantage in terms of aero-ness on my soloist over my old bike.. then again i dont have a computer on it yet so i'm just going from gut feel. it is nice having a bike that will convert to decent TT machine in a matter of mins.
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New Felt = Old Soloist
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my thoughts as well possibly
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That bike almost looks like their new Tk1 Track bike that Tylor Phinney
That would make a lot of sense.
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i think this is the first road frame that i have seen with that kind of starting-behind-the stem internal cable routing, ala several recent tt frames. the routing will be even cleaner with campy/sram/7900.

personally, i'm a big fan. every last little bit, right? if it's just as light, and at least as stiff... then why not more aero?
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Better pics here:

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absolutely, f'n, sick:



too bad magnus's butt is blocking the top tube out.
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too bad magnus's butt is blocking the top tube out.
I thought carbon frames exploded if you sat on the top tube!
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