Advertise on Bikeforums.net



User Tag List

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 45
  1. #1
    Announcer EventServices's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    In the drops.
    My Bikes
    Too many and not enough
    Posts
    4,996
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Ethics Question #7 - The Bandit Race

    Rather than file for permits and get permission from various agencies, a group of riders decides to put on a "training ride" with decent prize money. They have no real permission to use the road course. Only a phone call to the local law enforcement.
    The course crosses one major trunk line, goes through a few stop signs and one red light.

    No insurance.
    No marshals.
    No printed rules.
    Just a gathering in a parking lot and a line painted on the road somewhere up ahead.

    Do you race it?
    Last edited by EventServices; 07-14-08 at 02:13 PM. Reason: grammar and spelling.

  2. #2
    Love that dirty water JoesInBoston's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    369
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Sounds like Need For Speed - Cycling Underground......holla back.

  3. #3
    elitist jerk daytonian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Blow - hio
    My Bikes
    CAAD9
    Posts
    4,186
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    how much money, how much buy in?
    First rule: we don't talk about bike club.
    I feel like a soiled kleenex dropped in the gutter in the red-light district of Paris.

  4. #4
    Mmmmm Donuts! FatguyRacer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Crownsville, MD
    My Bikes
    1998 IF Crown Jewel
    Posts
    2,069
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    2nd rule: We dont talk about bike club.

    Bandit racing pretty much describes everyones club training ride. But without the cash prizes.

    Here's an idea. Instead of playing poker, just have everyone throw in 5 bucks. Winner takes all.
    John

    '09 Cannondale CAAD9 - Team Latitude/ABRT Special.
    '04 Lemond Victorie Ti
    '98 IF Crown Jewel (dead)
    '92 Trek2100 (TT)
    '50 something Gino Bartali (fixer)
    '02 Ducati ST4s (Moto-Ref mount)

    My Blog

  5. #5
    Wheelsuck Fat Boy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Posts
    6,159
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    3rd rule: If this is your first time at bike club, you have to race.
    Austin doesn't have hippies. They have slightly rebellious Methodists. - Racer Ex

  6. #6
    abandoning fly:yes/land:no's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Posts
    2,069
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    i race only if i have one gear, no freewheel, no brake, and a timbuk2 bag. bonus points if i have an excessive amount of saddle to bar drop or a checker patterned top tube protector.

  7. #7
    Senior Member Bullseye's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Boulder, CO
    My Bikes
    Cannondale systemsix, Raleigh Competition '05
    Posts
    498
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    No, no and hell no. more on that later.

    -bullseye

  8. #8
    Sensible shoes. CastIron's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    St. Paul,MN
    My Bikes
    A few.
    Posts
    8,799
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I'd want personal knowledge of the course (of course), but hey what the hell.
    Mike
    Quote Originally Posted by cedricbosch View Post
    It looks silly when you have quotes from other forum members in your signature. Nobody on this forum is that funny.
    Quote Originally Posted by cedricbosch View Post
    Why am I in your signature.

  9. #9
    Aut Vincere Aut Mori Snuffleupagus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Chapel Hill, NC
    My Bikes
    Irish Cycles Tir na Nog, Jack Kane Team Racing, Fuji Aloha 1.0, GT Karakoram, Motobecane Fly Team
    Posts
    4,166
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    No, of course not. That'd be irresponsible and very, very bad...






























  10. #10
    Senior Member SwimBike's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Pretty much Canada, NY
    Posts
    499
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I agree, isnt this pretty much a regular training ride? Again just take out the prize money and thats what you have.

  11. #11
    Burning Matches. ElJamoquio's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    San Jose, CA
    My Bikes
    Motobecane Le Champion SL, Cervelo P2SL
    Posts
    9,663
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Sure.
    Reacting is mind candy; it requires no thought. Thinking is tedious.

    Bikeforums 'Group Buy': Kinlin Rims, Sapim/DT Spokes, Formula/Bitex Hubs


    "The only good race pace is suicide pace, and today looks like a good day to die."
    -Steve Prefontaine

  12. #12
    Oh The Huge Manatee Lithuania's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    mabra
    Posts
    4,528
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    hell yeah i would race it. as a matter of fact ive been thinking about organizing something like this next spring

  13. #13
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Posts
    6,461
    Mentioned
    11 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    ask the lawyers on the board if they'd want to be the guy offering the prize money.

  14. #14
    Carpe Diem bdcheung's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    MABRA
    My Bikes
    2007 CAAD9; 2008 Giant Bowery; 2008 Surly Crosscheck
    Posts
    13,135
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    The Fast and the Furious: Two-wheeled fury!
    "When you are chewing the bars at the business end of a 90 mile road race you really dont care what gear you have hanging from your bike so long as it works."
    ΛΧΑ ΔΞ179 - 15% off your first Hammer Nutrition order!

  15. #15
    Announcer EventServices's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    In the drops.
    My Bikes
    Too many and not enough
    Posts
    4,996
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by ElJamoquio View Post
    Sure.
    Maybe I should have added - it's a 2-hour drive from home.

  16. #16
    Oh The Huge Manatee Lithuania's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    mabra
    Posts
    4,528
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by EventServices View Post
    Maybe I should have added - it's a 2-hour drive from home.
    depending on the course i would

  17. #17
    cmh
    cmh is offline
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Portland, OR
    Posts
    2,275
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by EventServices View Post
    They have no real permission to use the road course. Only a phone call to the local law enforcement.
    A call to the cops? What did they say "A pack of 70 cyclists is going to be blowing through stop signs and lights, come out and bust us if you want."?

    I wouldn't race it. Plenty of sanctioned races around here.

  18. #18
    Senior Member Bantam's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    South Carolina
    My Bikes
    Trek 1500
    Posts
    1,187
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Only if I know the course well or the money is really good.

    Sounds like an alleycat race, haha.
    2009 Paralympic Fast-O-Meter: 3/8

  19. #19
    Lurker for Life yonderboy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    PDX
    Posts
    908
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    This was essentially what the Tour da Chicago was this year. Unfortunately, there was an accident resulting in the death of one of the participants. The whole issue sparked a debate in the SSFG forum about whether or not alleycats should require the participants to sign waivers. Some of the alley cat organizers have a standard disclaimer at the beginning of their races. Something along the lines of "your life isn't worth a free beer, etc, etc."

    I think if you're going to go through the effort to secure sponsors, make up fliers, and organize the race, you can take the time to make sure you get the proper permits, a cheap insurance rider, and a standard waiver.

  20. #20
    Trying to keep up ericcox's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Fort Worth
    My Bikes
    Orbea Onix & Bianchi Premio
    Posts
    1,907
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Well, if it's a bandit race, I'd really need one of these:



    But, we'd have to look out for these guys:


  21. #21
    In beaurocratic limbo urbanknight's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Los Angeles, CA
    My Bikes
    Specialized Allez, K2 Razorback
    Posts
    22,457
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by FatguyRacer View Post
    Bandit racing pretty much describes everyones club training ride. But without the cash prizes.
    Correct, and those are usually crazier than real races since there aren't any officials enforcing the rules. I can only imagine what kind of blood bath would happen if you added prize money to the mix!

  22. #22
    Elite Fred mollusk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Edge City
    My Bikes
    2009 Spooky (cracked frame), 2006 Curtlo, 2002 Lemond (current race bike) Zurich, 1987 Serotta Colorado, 1986 Cannondale for commuting, a 1984 Cannondale on loan to my son
    Posts
    10,640
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Are these the guys you train with all the time? If so, are all the usual courtesies invoked (flat or mechanical and you are SOL, but sprints are OFF if there is traffic and you wait for a regroup if traffic breaks up the group)? If the later I might give it a go. The two hour drive seems to indicate that such is not the case, though. In that case I would pass.
    I'm the world's forgotten boy. The one who's searchin', searchin' to destroy.

  23. #23
    Burning Matches. ElJamoquio's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    San Jose, CA
    My Bikes
    Motobecane Le Champion SL, Cervelo P2SL
    Posts
    9,663
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by EventServices View Post
    Maybe I should have added - it's a 2-hour drive from home.
    Is this an invitation? Will I be yelled at?
    Reacting is mind candy; it requires no thought. Thinking is tedious.

    Bikeforums 'Group Buy': Kinlin Rims, Sapim/DT Spokes, Formula/Bitex Hubs


    "The only good race pace is suicide pace, and today looks like a good day to die."
    -Steve Prefontaine

  24. #24
    ride lots be safe Creakyknees's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    5,130
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Geez. just Saturday I drove 2 hours for a rally to get dropped by the area hammerheads, and I paid $25 for the privilege.

    There's an annual race in TX which I won't name that was a bandit event last year... most guys never even noticed, it was run just like a real race.

  25. #25
    Senior Member brett_beddow's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Posts
    220
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Depends on where in Michigan it is...

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •