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    Ethics question #1.61803399

    Ok, you're in a road race, it's 102F, and the sun is high. You get into a break with about 6 others, and you're convinced you can stay away. You're about 6 miles from the finish. In taking your pulls, you notice two guys sporting goosebumps -- not looking good.

    Would you drill it on the next hill just to push them over the edge?

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    Drill it!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post
    Ok, you're in a road race, it's 102F, and the sun is high. You get into a break with about 6 others, and you're convinced you can stay away. You're about 6 miles from the finish. In taking your pulls, you notice two guys sporting goosebumps -- not looking good.

    Would you drill it on the next hill just to push them over the edge?
    If they're sportin' 'bumps, you have no need to attack them. The only danger they represent is crashing in front of you or opening up a gap.

    I would know, I WAS that man Tuesday. I DNF'd, though.
    "If a non personal post makes you feel as if you've been attacked, maybe the problem IS you."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duke of Kent View Post
    If they're sportin' 'bumps, you have no need to attack them. The only danger they represent is crashing in front of you or opening up a gap.

    I would know, I WAS that man Tuesday. I DNF'd, though.
    That's where the ethics question comes in. I'm talking about drilling it for no reason other than to drop them

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    I dont think ethics are a concern here. It's just another selection. No different really than when you notice someone starting to open gaps, thrash around on the bike, miss pulls, etc. and punch it to pop 'em because you no longer need them in your break for it to succeed.

    The ethics question to me would be that you notice they're out of water and you've got that extra bottle, or something along those lines - do you give them a bottle or not? I say yes to that one, and have done it on several occaissions when I've taken an extra hand up.

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    Sure, go for the win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MDcatV View Post
    The ethics question to me would be that you notice they're out of water and you've got that extra bottle, or something along those lines - do you give them a bottle or not? I say yes to that one, and have done it on several occaissions when I've taken an extra hand up.
    Yeah, everyone was almost completely out of water. I was about 20 minutes from goosebumps myself. I started with three 24 oz bottles, topped off on the commute there, about 2 miles from the start. It was hot and really, really dry.

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    Stomp it so hard you squish their hearts ... IF this helps your chances of winning. If it doesn't, let them suffer and get on with your race.

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    If I was in that situation I'd drill it.

    Racing is always about pushing limits, especially if you feel good. You attack to see who has legs. You push the pace where it doesn't benefit anyone else (climb, crosswind, bumpy road, etc) to see who has legs. You jump hard out of a slow turn to string out the field.

    And in a break where guys are getting goosebumps, you drill it to shake them out.

    Oh, except if they're friends of yours. If they were friendly rivals or friendly friends, I'd keep things status quo.

    In a field (i.e. not so intimate) on hot days where I'm good with water I've purposely drained out bottles before the finish, sprinkling the curb for a hundred yards at a time.

    I've also taken long sips from an empty bottle to fake out others.

    Since I've never been in any situation close to it, if by some miracle of Moses I'm actually in a break with any of you, please don't drill it. I won't sprint as hard and even if I do my sprint will be worthless anyway. To wit - my 8th place (out of about 10 or 12) in a break a few years back. I took one pull and got yelled at for going so slowly.

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    BTW.... Who'd you beat/drop?
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    what's going to happen when we run out of fundamental numbers?

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    Funny you should use that number. Wither the Golden Rule?
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    Quote Originally Posted by UT_Dude View Post
    BTW.... Who'd you beat/drop?
    Dunno, a Mellow Johnny's rider and another guy I hadn't seen before. The coolest part was that I told one my Cat 4 teammates to stay tight on my wheel so I could lead him out. The rest of the break forced me up front in the last mile (so I just slogged along at 225W). Jake was on my wheel, and I launched the leadout at 1km to go. I stayed seated so I wouldn't drop him, but only Jake and one other rider could follow, and when Jake jumped, the other guy had no answer. Solid win for him, and I coasted the last 50m for 3rd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brianappleby View Post
    what's going to happen when we run out of fundamental numbers?
    It took me a while to think of this one. The trick is to stay away from physical constants

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duke of Kent View Post
    If they're sportin' 'bumps, you have no need to attack them. The only danger they represent is crashing in front of you or opening up a gap.

    I would know, I WAS that man Tuesday. I DNF'd, though.
    Tuesday was a tough day all around I think. Course sucked, couldn't imagine racing it for more than an hour.

    WR, If they are still able to do work, drink their milkshake. If not, drink it anyway.
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    Thanks for actually having an ethics question on an ethics thread,
    rather than an etiquette question on an ethics thread.

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    jettison excess baggage.

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    Drill it. That's what people do to me when I'm dying in a break...
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    Quote Originally Posted by wanders View Post


    Shell them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duke of Kent View Post
    If they're sportin' 'bumps, you have no need to attack them. The only danger they represent is crashing in front of you or opening up a gap.

    I would know, I WAS that man Tuesday. I DNF'd, though.
    +1

    Just keep going the same speed and I will pop on my own.

    I've blown up twice in spectacular fashion this year with the 'bumps. Seems I need cold/wind/rain to race well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post
    That's where the ethics question comes in. I'm talking about drilling it for no reason other than to drop them
    Is there ever any other reason to drill it, except to drop others?

    Go for the knockout when you got 'em on the ropes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enthalpic View Post
    +1

    Just keep going the same speed and I will pop on my own.

    I've blown up twice in spectacular fashion this year with the 'bumps. Seems I need cold/wind/rain to race well...
    That's one thing that disturbs me about my wins this year. Two of them were in the rain: one road race, and one crit.

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