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Old 03-22-04, 10:49 AM   #1
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Former Kelme Rider Sells Doping Story

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Manzano vows to tell all

Jesus Manzano, who's still at odds over money with former employer Kelme, says he's sold his story regarding drug use within the team. "What Philippe Gaumont revealed in France will soon look like a fairytale for children," Monzano told Spanish newspaper Marca.

Spanish newspaper El Mundo reports that Manzano reportedly sold his story to a foreign television station for 300,000 euros.

The 25-year old Spaniard has been without a team since being kicked out of the Kelme team for having a young woman in his room on the Vuelta last year.

"I'm not going to go on about what happened during the last Tour de France, most notably during the Morzine stage," said Manzano who collapsed that day on the road and was transported to hospital. "Then there's what happened last year on the Tour of Portugal and in Valencia , where I nearly died in a train.

"I'll also talk about how the team operated. I ran the Vuelta with injections in my knee every day. I have a huge hole in my knee. You'll soon know all. Kelme owes me money. It'll be a tooth for a tooth and an eye for an eye."
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Old 03-23-04, 04:16 PM   #2
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"I'm not going to go on about what happened during the last Tour de France, most notably during the Morzine stage," said Manzano who collapsed that day on the road and was transported to hospital. "Then there's what happened last year on the Tour of Portugal and in Valencia , where I nearly died in a train.

"I'll also talk about how the team operated. I ran the Vuelta with injections in my knee every day. I have a huge hole in my knee. You'll soon know all. Kelme owes me money. It'll be a tooth for a tooth and an eye for an eye."

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Old 03-23-04, 04:39 PM   #3
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Guess who's never going to ride for a D1 team again.
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You would think that riders prepared to take this route of "action" against former (and current) teams might have learned something from what happened to Christophe Bassons.

He was found to be clean as a whistle during the Festina affair. The press ate this up and constantly asked him tough questions. Like Lemond years before him, he answered these questions directly and honestly. Lemond learned to show some tact, Bassons was run out of the sport with Lance Armstrong being one of the loudest, most influential critics (see Dick Pound).
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Take a look at the pix. If this doesn't creep you out, nothing will.
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Well, something was really odd about that dehydration in the TDF last year.

Holy hell... the pictures
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Old 03-25-04, 09:43 PM   #7
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Makes you wonder how far off the guy at evilcycling.com is...
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The 25-year old Spaniard has been without a team since being kicked out of the Kelme team for having a young woman in his room on the Vuelta last year.
Forget the doping. This is the BEST part of the story!
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More revelations from Manzano

Spanish ex-rofessional Jesus Manzano has continued to blow the whistle on the alleged doping practices within his former team, Kelme. In the second part of an in depth interview with Spanish sports newspaper AS, Manzano has gone into more detail about the use of illegal substances such as erythropoetin (EPO) and human growth hormone (HGH), with more to come.

Manzano said that HGH could be taken during training and during competition, because it is not able to be detected in drug controls. He also said that it is commonly taken with insulin in order to maximise its effect. But sometimes, as with the blood transfusions that he described previously, the riders experienced negative reactions to the drug.

During last year's Tour of Portugal, the Kelme team pulled out en masse in the first two days, blaming gastrointestinal problems. At the time, the team's directeur sportif José Luis Laguia said, "Honestly we don't know what happened, and we don't think it was a problem in the hotel, because there were more teams staying there who didn't have any problems. We don't know if it was dehydration during training yesterday or some bad water that they drank. Now the riders will return to Spain and there we will look for an explanation as to what has happened. We only know it was related to gastrointestinal problems."

Manzano, who was one of the last Kelme riders to pull out on stage 2, put a different spin on the situation. "I think that there was a pact made between the riders, because of what happened in the Tour where there was a positive test [later announced as Javier Pascual Llorente], I don't know if some of my teammates were afraid," said Manzano. "Certainly I did not inform them of the positive and continued hiding it after Valencia."

Manzano said that he took some Genotonorm [HGH] at the hotel after stage 1 and continued to race. Because HGH is not able to be detected, "There is an open bar to use it." He also named Humatrope, Norditropin and IGF1 as products he used. "There's a pile of [these products] because each laboratory has its own brand," he said, going on to detail the exact quantities and cost of each product that he would take.

After Manzano took the Genotonorm, he started having problems with diarrhoea and vomiting the next morning. He rode until halfway through stage 2, when he abandoned. On the way home to Spain, he said his team director called him to pass on the news that his salary was to be raised, and believed that the main reason for this was so that he could afford to buy more drugs.
Training camps at altitude and EPO

In order to use EPO without being caught by a surprise drug control, Manzano explained that a team training camp at altitude was the perfect place to do it, as living at altitude stimulates red blood cell growth. "But if you are at 46 percent haematocrit, you are not going to go up to 50 percent in 15 days," said Manzano. "Perhaps it was done to create a false appearance. The people have always been afraid of a scene, and panic at surprise controls at home. It's best to be away."

Manzano then went onto describe the various types of EPO that could be used: Eprex, Neorecormon, Epocrin (Russian EPO), Epomax. "You prepare yourself with this before the start of races. EPO is utilised in certain periods, depending on form peaks. You can't take it all year to race well, because you will have some high values. I would take it 15 days before a race."

Manzano described (and was photographed) how he would inject himself with EPO, either subcutaneously or intravenously, depending on the desired effect. "EPO stimulates the bone marrow and increases red blood cells. It depends on each rider. Now I have not trained for a while and have a haematocrit of 46%...but if I train 100 kilometres a day, it would remain at 42%. Therefore it's not the same as a person who has 48% naturally, because in that case they could only go up two points while I could raise eight, up to 50%."

Some riders are "very stupid" according to Manzano, because they use products like Darbepoetin Alfa (Aranesp), which has a much greater range of detectability than EPO, which can still only be detected within three days of its use.

Returning to blood transfusions, Manzano said that he would use EPO increase his blood cell count until his haematocrit was very high - sometimes up to 56% - which can lead to sudden cardiac arrest. "Then I had a telephone and I set the alarm for every two hours, I took a pile of aspirins which they say dilutes the blood."

He would extract a litre of this red cell enhanced blood for use during the major tours, when riders' haematocrits tend to drop quite markedly after a week of racing. "If it wasn't for all this, I don't believe that the average of 41 km/h in the grand tours would be possible," he said.
Avoiding controls

"At the moment it's not difficult to fool the UCI 'vampires' [doctors who do surprise haematocrit tests in the morning of a race]," Manzano explained. "You get half an hour after the medical inspectors turn up and notify you, so the riders with low levels go down first. It's a practice to gain time. The [team] doctors are always prepared. The rest of the cyclists, who have the highest values, are given human plasma and glucose and go down to do the controls at the end. These can lower your haematocrit level by four points.

Manzano noted that all the water that accumulates in the body can make you "ride like a dog" during the stage. "Imagine what it's like to ride with a litre of liquid inside you rather than one that can be carried." He added that the UCI would be better off testing riders (including urine tests) at 7pm in the evening and giving them only 5 minutes to prepare.

In the final part of the second AS interview, Jesus Manzano hints at some of the other drugs that are used, including cortisone "which removes pain and gives you strength" but can lower your haematocrit and have many other negative side effects if over used. Geref (stimulant), Neoferinon, Androgel (testosterone), nandrolone (for the winter), synthetic haemoglobin and Actovegin. "There are many things to explain, but we will do that in the next few days," he finished.
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I am not sure if i believe him totally or not. I have to say though some of the stories are pretty gruesome. Makes you wonder if it is really worth it.
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Kelme has lost its potential TDF invite now. Mission accomplished? Wow.

Jesus Manzano is making sense to me.
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Some of it sounds like sour grapes to me. If someone who hadn't been kicked out of the TDF for doing something really dumb had brough forth these stories, I'd be more willing to believe them.

I'm all up for a debate on doping in the pro ranks? Anyone else want to start a new thread?
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Some of it sounds like sour grapes to me. If someone who hadn't been kicked out of the TDF for doing something really dumb had brough forth these stories, I'd be more willing to believe them.

I'm all up for a debate on doping in the pro ranks? Anyone else want to start a new thread?
You mean the Vuelta? Or the dehydration in the TDF?
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From what I"ve seen/read this guy is singing like a bird, and is spot on
concerning dosage, administration routes, titration etc.
Either he was doping (on his own?) and is just dumping on Kelme,
or he is the real dea and they all were doping.
BTW he has been offered a contract by Amore e Vita (love and life? love and fish in a jar?
love and the godfather (vita coreleone)) so his career as a cyclist isn't exactly
over.
This is NOT going to go away quietly, its gonna make festina look like a slap
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OUCH!
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...r04/mar26news3
No Tour invitation for Kelme

The Amaury Sport Organisation (ASO), organiser of the Tour de France, issued a statement Friday afternoon indicating that the Comunidad Valenciana-Kelme team would not receive an invitation to the 2004 Tour de France. At the time of the initial selection of wild card entries for the Tour, only 21 of the customary 22 teams were announced, with the final spot held in reserve for Kelme pending assurances of the team's financial status.

Following the revelations of former Kelme professional Jesus Manzano, who has offered extensive allegations concerning doping practices within the team, ASO has decided not to extend the invitation to the Tour. A 22nd team will not be selected.

"Following the disclosures made by the Spanish rider Jesus Manzano, the organisers of the Tour de France esteem that the element of doubt hanging over the matter no longer permits the formerly contemplated presence of the [Comunidad Valenciana-Kelme] team at the start of the next Tour de France," the statement read.

Furthermore, based on its current understanding of the situation, Kelme is at present unwelcome at any of ASO's other events, which include major spring races such as the Critérium International, Paris-Roubaix, Flèche Wallonne, and Liège-Bastogne-Liège.
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This is bad. Really, really bad. Worse than the Festina fiasco.

I hope it's not true as it casts doubt on any great performance that a rider may have. If you think Lance and Jan are exempt, think again.
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Either he was doping (on his own?) and is just dumping on Kelme,
or he is the real dea and they all were doping.
Team or personal, normal or just Manzano... who's to say. I'm thinking there's some harsh reality in what he's saying, but as an individual he has some latitude as to how he goes about it, and how far he's willing to go. This guy is no rocket scientist... he comes across as less discriminating about what he's willing to put in his veins than some pretty desperate junky. The bit about calling his wife and telling her he's going to do well today after getting dosed on with something he doesn't even know what it is! Puh-leeze! Kelme or no, this guy is/was the worst kind of junky.

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his career as a cyclist isn't exactlyover.
Maybe, but I bet he will be a marked man in the peloton. Let's just say he won't get many lucky breaks.

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This is NOT going to go away quietly, its gonna make festina look like a slap on the wrist

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It's more of the same old same old. Is it any worse in cycling than soccer, football, or body building? I doubt it, but we sure get more than our share of bad press. No thanks to this clown.
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Manzano signs with Amore e Vita

He'll ride, be blessed by the Pope, and get paid according to his "results and behavior, with the obligation to run clean [of doping]".

Now, hang on. I'm no detective, but three days ago, he claimed he couldn't ride a bike any more "because of the cortisone, which has a destructive affect on bodily tissue. Now whenever he puts any pressure on the pedals, his knee swells up and he gets a big haematoma."

Let's just call this the Official Exaggeration Number One, then.
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Didnt he shoot up for the cameras during the interview? In which case cant the UCI bust him for doping right now?
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Didnt he shoot up for the cameras during the interview? In which case cant the UCI bust him for doping right now?
Since when did the UCI say it was against the rules to use drugs?
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