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Old 10-29-08, 01:58 PM   #1
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Ok all you 2x20 zealots

'splain THIS:

Lance’s Training Outline for October 2008
2 x per week 5-5.5 hrs endurance pace
2 x per week 3-4 hrs endurance pace with 2 x 20minutes at just below LT pace (380-400watts)
1 x per week Tuesday-nighter
1 x per week 3-4 hrs with 2 sets of 4 x 20seconds max effort x 40 seconds recovery
1 x per week day off-travel, rest.

hmmmmmm????????
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Old 10-29-08, 02:05 PM   #2
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different strokes for different folks... thats one hell of a week.
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Old 10-29-08, 02:07 PM   #3
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'splain THIS:

Lance’s Training Outline for October 2008
2 x per week 5-5.5 hrs endurance pace
2 x per week 3-4 hrs endurance pace with 2 x 20minutes at just below LT pace (380-400watts)
1 x per week Tuesday-nighter
1 x per week 3-4 hrs with 2 sets of 4 x 20seconds max effort x 40 seconds recovery
1 x per week day off-travel, rest.

hmmmmmm????????
That's a pretty nice rest week, I'm sure.
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Old 10-29-08, 02:18 PM   #4
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I got it the same from the Carmichael training site. It also said that he has lots of obligations that were made prior to coming back. So he is traveling, making speaking engagements and appearances.
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CTS training email. He's been at 20-24 hrs/week in October.

Nothing wrong with some short recovery sprints.
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that's alot like the MDcatV october training program:

5 x per week 8 - 10 hrs. go to work, break up day by effing around on bf.net
2 x per week 5-5.5 hrs watch football on couch while napping, sometimes flipping channels
7 x per week 3-4 hrs hang out with wife and 2 y.o. daughter
1 x per week watch True Blood on HBO
1 x per week 3-4 hrs veg. out in evening with 2 sets of gorging self on pirates booty
1 x per week ride bike.
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Old 10-29-08, 03:13 PM   #8
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CTS training email. He's been at 20-24 hrs/week in October.

Nothing wrong with some short recovery sprints.
also known as Tabata intervals.

hey it's all good with me, I just like to tweak the "base miles / SST / 2x20" crowd now and then.
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2 x 20minutes at just below LT pace (380-400watts)


I'm more giggity about this "20"
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also known as Tabata intervals.

hey it's all good with me, I just like to tweak the "base miles / SST / 2x20" crowd now and then.
Thats not a tabata interval..... And did you see his 2x20 set?

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Yah... Seems to me he's doing something a lot more like what I do, except for the wattage numbers.

Lots and lots of time, threshold time, and a few max efforts in the middle of an easy day.

If anything, I was going to point at this and say that "even lance does 2x20's in base" Your point is lost.
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I can do 380-400 watts for 1 hour just give me a million bucks.
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Old 10-29-08, 04:10 PM   #13
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also known as Tabata intervals.

hey it's all good with me, I just like to tweak the "base miles / SST / 2x20" crowd now and then.
Who are you tweaking? The base miles crowd? The SST crowd? Or the 2 x 20 crowd?
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Who are you tweaking? The base miles crowd? The SST crowd? Or the 2 x 20 crowd?
The lumping together of the three of those crowds emphasizes not only the OPs, but the general populace's misunderstanding of how those philosophies differ.
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I want to know what the Tuesday nighter is?
Lance doing the wintertime weeknight hammerfest?
WTF?
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How cool would it be to get droped on the Tuesday nighter by Lance.
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not quite as cool as not getting dropped.
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The lumping together of the three of those crowds emphasizes not only the OPs, but the general populace's misunderstanding of how those philosophies differ.
The OP was trolling I'm sure because no one would look at a snapshot of Lance's program and figure it was biased towards or away from any one of those approaches. I just wanted to see what depth of knowledge the troller has. Obviously not much.

Congratulations on reaching 5.5 w/kg. Impressive, and based on your other posts, well earned thru hard work.
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Dude, I wish I was at 5.5! I'm at 4.7 right now.

If I have a post somewhere saying 5.5, lemme know so I can mod it?
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'splain THIS:

Lance’s Training Outline for October 2008
2 x per week 5-5.5 hrs endurance pace
2 x per week 3-4 hrs endurance pace with 2 x 20minutes at just below LT pace (380-400watts)
1 x per week Tuesday-nighter
1 x per week 3-4 hrs with 2 sets of 4 x 20seconds max effort x 40 seconds recovery
1 x per week day off-travel, rest.

hmmmmmm????????
Assuming he would even post his own training outlines [would you if you were Lance?]...

There's no mention of what his endurance pace wattage is. So let's say his FTP is 400W. 85% of 400W = 340W. Fair enough, I've heard pros love romping around 350W.

Let's see, his total hours look something like:
10/11 + 6/8 = 16 - 19h/wk @ HIS endurance pace [340W]
1 hr of 400W avg [Tues night crit]
3 - 4h/wk of a ride that has 8 X 20s sprints of max effort.

What's the problem?
He's putting at LEAST 16 - 19h/wk of solid SST @ 340W AVERAGE. I'm sure he's not varying his cadence to make sure he's bang on @ 340W. People do 2X20's because we don't have 16-19h available to do sit in @ >= 85% FTP. Not to mention - not many of us are training for grand tours.
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Old 10-29-08, 08:47 PM   #22
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Wow... an admitted troll and you guys are still totally humorless. It's October boys, loosen the straps a bit...
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Dude, I wish I was at 5.5! I'm at 4.7 right now.

If I have a post somewhere saying 5.5, lemme know so I can mod it?
Sorry, read your '08 goals and thought you were there! Worse, I though it said 5.5, not 5.0! Time to get my eyes checked!

4.7 is outstanding as well and would suit you well here on the left coast in any masters race.

To the OP, my apologies for not picking up on the sarcasm. Tough to do sometimes with this kind of medium.
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Dude, I wish I was at 5.5! I'm at 4.7 right now.

If I have a post somewhere saying 5.5, lemme know so I can mod it?
Send me your PT files and I can have you at 6.0 in about 2 minutes...... Hell make that 100.0
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Wow... an admitted troll and you guys are still totally humorless. It's October boys, loosen the straps a bit...
Sorry - isolated training and no racing gets to ya sometimes
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