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Old 08-16-10, 06:22 PM   #2551
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Just got my Quarq/SRAM 975 installed, and just downloaded WKO. Can you say information overload?

That software seems so complex, at this point, I wonder if I'll ever learn to use all the features.

I'm thinking I'll do some of the group rides that I've been doing all season just to see how the Quarq and WKO work together and to try to learn to decipher the data.

I figure I'll do some testing in a week or so, or do you guys think I should just to testing?
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Old 08-16-10, 06:35 PM   #2552
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Get the book (Racing and Training with a power meter by Coggan and Allen).
Test when you need to know your FTP.
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Old 08-16-10, 07:06 PM   #2553
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I figure I'll do some testing in a week or so, or do you guys think I should just to testing?
When I got my powertap last week the first thing I did was a 20 minute hillclimb so I could get some kind of ballpark ftp. I plan on testing again in a week since I've got a rest week scheduled.
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Get the book (Racing and Training with a power meter by Coggan and Allen).
Test when you need to know your FTP.
Yeah, I have that as well as the Cyclists Training Bible. IMHO, it's a ton of information to absorb.

I plan on re-reading Racing And Training With A Power Meter again though.
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Thanks. Where are the files located for the Garmin or do I need to treat the Garmin like a flash drive? It won't download straight from the Garmin to the program. I can do it using it like a flash drive but it's sort of a pain.

As aside note, the program isn't nearly as nice as Cycling Peaks WKO but it's free so I can't complain.
After messing with Golden Cheetah for a few days I've decided that I'm going to get Training Peaks. Since I am a previous customer I get the newest version for half price ($65). For the amount of information and the ease of use it will be worth it. Plus Golden Cheetah doesn't seem to be working all that smooth on my computer for some reason.
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Anyone here have experience modeling a season without the use of the traditional planned rest, e.g. 3 weeks on 1 week off or any variation of that.

The reason why I ask is because I want to try the Lydiard approach as a model for the coming 2011 road season and it suggests that I up my CTL 3-6 pts/wk for 8-10 wks for the aerobic training period then to level off or increase CTL slowly by 0-3 pts/wk for lactate / V02 period. No rest week is planned, only the CTL ramp rate is changed. So in other words, my CTL will be steadily increasing without the dramatic CTL peaks and valleys created by the "x" weeks on "x" weeks off approach. TSB will be looked at and compared to perceived daily stress for signs of overtraining and CTL will then be adjusted accordingly.

Based on previous data, I'm thinking of 3 pts/wk increase in CTL. I mean, as long as my TSB, CTL, and ATL reach the theoretical "optimal" point for my planned A race that's all that counts right? I don't think I need an ATL kick then a dramatic leveling off to peak. What do you guys think?

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Old 08-18-10, 12:36 PM   #2557
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my set up; PT SL+ with 705 & WKO 3.0 software. i have auto zero checked for yes, auto pause shut off & 1 sec recording.

i think these are the standard recommended settings. after logging a century this past Monday and reviewing the data i noticed some issues with reported elevation. so i uploaded the data to Garmin Connect for comparisons. what i noticed was GC reports total time and moving time. duh, i had kind of forgotten about this.

total time was 5:36 and ride time was 5:20. obviously this effects avg speed and TSS numbers. not a lot, but it does. my questions is this; when you have signficant breaks or stops in an ride do you go back and cut out that stopped time?

maybe when i have a stoppage just hitting stop/start on the 705 would be easier. just wondering what everyone else does. later.
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my set up; PT SL+ with 705 & WKO 3.0 software. i have auto zero checked for yes, auto pause shut off & 1 sec recording.

i think these are the standard recommended settings. after logging a century this past Monday and reviewing the data i noticed some issues with reported elevation. so i uploaded the data to Garmin Connect for comparisons. what i noticed was GC reports total time and moving time. duh, i had kind of forgotten about this.

total time was 5:36 and ride time was 5:20. obviously this effects avg speed and TSS numbers. not a lot, but it does. my questions is this; when you have signficant breaks or stops in an ride do you go back and cut out that stopped time?

maybe when i have a stoppage just hitting stop/start on the 705 would be easier. just wondering what everyone else does. later.
Can't answer your question, but what is auto zero?
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maybe when i have a stoppage just hitting stop/start on the 705 would be easier. just wondering what everyone else does. later.
stopping the recording is just like auto pause, and it won't affect GC. I don't worry about the stopped time. The time in power zones is weighted to give you TSS scores, so more stopped time in the 0-power zone doesn't affect TSS, if I understand correctly.
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^^^^ i always thought there was an issue with using auto pause on a Garmin & WK0? i mean, it would make sense just to use auto pause or just stop it, but i dont want to mess up my data. too bad WK0 doesnt report total time and moving time like GC. later.
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^^^^ i always thought there was an issue with using auto pause on a Garmin & WK0? i mean, it would make sense just to use auto pause or just stop it, but i dont want to mess up my data. too bad WK0 doesnt report total time and moving time like GC. later.
It does. From today: "Duration: 3:20:51 (3:23:06)"

The first number is the moving time, the second number (in parens) is the total time.
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^^^^ i dont have WKO available to me right now, but i am not getting that. for my ride Monday it used the total time to cacluate the averages. made the avg speed 17.5 when it was closer to 18.5 and so on.

are you using auto pause or stopping the time? if not i would assume WKO just looks at the zero power or zero speed time. i will have to check when i get home.

pretty sure i have the latest build, but my 705 is behind a couple updates. thanks. later.
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Yes, that's with auto pause. It's the difference between the total time and the recorded (moving) time.
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are you guys both on the same version of wko?
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Yes, that's with auto pause. It's the difference between the total time and the recorded (moving) time.
excellent. i assume that is why i am not seeing the two times in WKO. what speed did you set it to pause at? i recall that 3 mph use to be recommended. much thanks. later.
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are you guys both on the same version of wko?
All versions of WKO that I have ever used showed the total and non-paused time. One or two builds a long time ago messed up the handling of auto-pauses when importing from TCX files, but they fixed it.
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All versions of WKO that I have ever used showed the total and non-paused time. One or two builds a long time ago messed up the handling of auto-pauses when importing from TCX files, but they fixed it.
alright. I've never used wko, but I knew that 3.0 introduced a lot of new features and that not every has upgraded. Figured it was worth asking.
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one thing about wko that is related to that (and annoying) is that data dropouts are "recorded" as paused time.

because of this my one-hour mountain climbs didn't show up as one-hour and are excluded from my FTP power profile (only being some 58 minutes or whatever)

I since learned that you should download stuff from the SRM to the SRM software and then export it to WKO
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^^^^ i always thought there was an issue with using auto pause on a Garmin & WK0? i mean, it would make sense just to use auto pause or just stop it, but i dont want to mess up my data. too bad WK0 doesnt report total time and moving time like GC. later.
There is no issue, use autopause, I personally use 2mph cutoff. I've compared my 705 to my PCVI and the TSS comes out the same using both computers
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Ok wireless powertap gurus, I need some help diagnosing. I've been on a wired one my entire powertap lifetime.

Device: mtb disc powertap, 2.4 sl+, wireless.
Issue: head unit cannot find hub in the middle of a ride. Low hub battery indicator flashy (in the top left of the screen) thing isn't flashing.

Tried "find," does nothing.

Here's the kicker: if I let the head unit turn all the way off (blank screen) then turn it back on, it reads the hub again. Did that once today, and it read again for a few minutes. Did it a again, and it read all the way home.

Head unit battery? Ghosts?
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I had the same issue on my hub. I changed both the hub an the head unit battery and now all is well.
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Head unit battery? Ghosts?
At a guess, I would still say PT battery - when there is no drain on a battery for a bit it can have a little extra juice when first used again, then quickly goes back to very low power. In the middle of the ride you still have the hub trying to draw power, hence it cannot transmit and "find" does not work - not even enough to transmit low battery.

When you stop for a bit, the hub fully powers down, you then start up again and it has enough power to transmit from the hub for a couple of minutes and then the available power crashes again.
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Allen and Coggan's recommended test for determining FTP includes a 5 minute all out effort before the 20 minute FTP test is done. Is it necessary to do the 5 minute effort first to get an accurate result in the 20 minute test later? I'm wondering if the intent of the 5 minute effort is (A) to drain anaerobic capacity so that the 20 minute test is done using more of the aerobic system, or (B) to open up the legs so that a bigger effort can be made in the 20 minute test. Today I did the 20 minute test and skipped the 5 minute all out effort because I've generally found that my results are worse when I warm up with that much intensity.
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Allen and Coggan's recommended test for determining FTP includes a 5 minute all out effort before the 20 minute FTP test is done. Is it necessary to do the 5 minute effort first to get an accurate result in the 20 minute test later? I'm wondering if the intent of the 5 minute effort is (A) to drain anaerobic capacity so that the 20 minute test is done using more of the aerobic system, or (B) to open up the legs so that a bigger effort can be made in the 20 minute test. Today I did the 20 minute test and skipped the 5 minute all out effort because I've generally found that my results are worse when I warm up with that much intensity.
I think I just found the answer to my own question. I re-read that section in the book and they say the goal of the 5 minute effort is to open up the legs, so I think it is okay to skip it given that I don't think it helps me.

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Do A and C say that the av watts for the 20 minutes is your FTP? if they do, then they want you to do the 5m to lose the anaerobic power. If they say to take .9-.95 of that 20 minute number, then warm up however you want.
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