Advertise on Bikeforums.net



User Tag List

Page 103 of 268 FirstFirst ... 35393101102103104105113153203 ... LastLast
Results 2,551 to 2,575 of 6696
  1. #2551
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Italy
    My Bikes
    2014 Specialized Roubaix Pro
    Posts
    472
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Just got my Quarq/SRAM 975 installed, and just downloaded WKO. Can you say information overload?

    That software seems so complex, at this point, I wonder if I'll ever learn to use all the features.

    I'm thinking I'll do some of the group rides that I've been doing all season just to see how the Quarq and WKO work together and to try to learn to decipher the data.

    I figure I'll do some testing in a week or so, or do you guys think I should just to testing?

  2. #2552
    Senior Member ericm979's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Santa Cruz Mountains
    Posts
    6,170
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Get the book (Racing and Training with a power meter by Coggan and Allen).
    Test when you need to know your FTP.

  3. #2553
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Jackson, NH
    My Bikes
    Cannondale 2.8 R700 circa 1997; 2009 Cervelo S2; Trek 930 mountain bike; various others
    Posts
    205
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by petalpower View Post
    I figure I'll do some testing in a week or so, or do you guys think I should just to testing?
    When I got my powertap last week the first thing I did was a 20 minute hillclimb so I could get some kind of ballpark ftp. I plan on testing again in a week since I've got a rest week scheduled.

  4. #2554
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Italy
    My Bikes
    2014 Specialized Roubaix Pro
    Posts
    472
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by ericm979 View Post
    Get the book (Racing and Training with a power meter by Coggan and Allen).
    Test when you need to know your FTP.
    Yeah, I have that as well as the Cyclists Training Bible. IMHO, it's a ton of information to absorb.

    I plan on re-reading Racing And Training With A Power Meter again though.

  5. #2555
    Throw the stick!!!! LowCel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    Charleston, WV
    My Bikes
    GMC Denali
    Posts
    17,591
    Mentioned
    19 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by LowCel View Post
    Thanks. Where are the files located for the Garmin or do I need to treat the Garmin like a flash drive? It won't download straight from the Garmin to the program. I can do it using it like a flash drive but it's sort of a pain.

    As aside note, the program isn't nearly as nice as Cycling Peaks WKO but it's free so I can't complain.
    After messing with Golden Cheetah for a few days I've decided that I'm going to get Training Peaks. Since I am a previous customer I get the newest version for half price ($65). For the amount of information and the ease of use it will be worth it. Plus Golden Cheetah doesn't seem to be working all that smooth on my computer for some reason.
    I may be fat but I'm slow enough to make up for it.

  6. #2556
    Sho-Air Cyclery semaj's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Costa Mesa, CA
    My Bikes
    Cannondale SuperSix EVO SM
    Posts
    263
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Anyone here have experience modeling a season without the use of the traditional planned rest, e.g. 3 weeks on 1 week off or any variation of that.

    The reason why I ask is because I want to try the Lydiard approach as a model for the coming 2011 road season and it suggests that I up my CTL 3-6 pts/wk for 8-10 wks for the aerobic training period then to level off or increase CTL slowly by 0-3 pts/wk for lactate / V02 period. No rest week is planned, only the CTL ramp rate is changed. So in other words, my CTL will be steadily increasing without the dramatic CTL peaks and valleys created by the "x" weeks on "x" weeks off approach. TSB will be looked at and compared to perceived daily stress for signs of overtraining and CTL will then be adjusted accordingly.

    Based on previous data, I'm thinking of 3 pts/wk increase in CTL. I mean, as long as my TSB, CTL, and ATL reach the theoretical "optimal" point for my planned A race that's all that counts right? I don't think I need an ATL kick then a dramatic leveling off to peak. What do you guys think?
    Last edited by semaj; 08-17-10 at 10:26 AM.

  7. #2557
    grilled cheesus aham23's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    8675309
    My Bikes
    2010 CAAD9 Custom, 06 Giant TCR C2 & 05 Specialized Hardrock Sport
    Posts
    6,933
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    my set up; PT SL+ with 705 & WKO 3.0 software. i have auto zero checked for yes, auto pause shut off & 1 sec recording.

    i think these are the standard recommended settings. after logging a century this past Monday and reviewing the data i noticed some issues with reported elevation. so i uploaded the data to Garmin Connect for comparisons. what i noticed was GC reports total time and moving time. duh, i had kind of forgotten about this.

    total time was 5:36 and ride time was 5:20. obviously this effects avg speed and TSS numbers. not a lot, but it does. my questions is this; when you have signficant breaks or stops in an ride do you go back and cut out that stopped time?

    maybe when i have a stoppage just hitting stop/start on the 705 would be easier. just wondering what everyone else does. later.

  8. #2558
    Senior Member rankin116's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Troylet
    Posts
    3,753
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by aham23 View Post
    my set up; PT SL+ with 705 & WKO 3.0 software. i have auto zero checked for yes, auto pause shut off & 1 sec recording.

    i think these are the standard recommended settings. after logging a century this past Monday and reviewing the data i noticed some issues with reported elevation. so i uploaded the data to Garmin Connect for comparisons. what i noticed was GC reports total time and moving time. duh, i had kind of forgotten about this.

    total time was 5:36 and ride time was 5:20. obviously this effects avg speed and TSS numbers. not a lot, but it does. my questions is this; when you have signficant breaks or stops in an ride do you go back and cut out that stopped time?

    maybe when i have a stoppage just hitting stop/start on the 705 would be easier. just wondering what everyone else does. later.
    Can't answer your question, but what is auto zero?

  9. #2559
    \_(ツ)_/ Ygduf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Redwood City, CA
    My Bikes
    road bikes
    Posts
    6,395
    Mentioned
    34 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by aham23 View Post

    maybe when i have a stoppage just hitting stop/start on the 705 would be easier. just wondering what everyone else does. later.
    stopping the recording is just like auto pause, and it won't affect GC. I don't worry about the stopped time. The time in power zones is weighted to give you TSS scores, so more stopped time in the 0-power zone doesn't affect TSS, if I understand correctly.

    twitter.com/ygduf
    strava.com/athletes/ygduf

  10. #2560
    grilled cheesus aham23's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    8675309
    My Bikes
    2010 CAAD9 Custom, 06 Giant TCR C2 & 05 Specialized Hardrock Sport
    Posts
    6,933
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    ^^^^ i always thought there was an issue with using auto pause on a Garmin & WK0? i mean, it would make sense just to use auto pause or just stop it, but i dont want to mess up my data. too bad WK0 doesnt report total time and moving time like GC. later.

  11. #2561
    umd
    umd is offline
    Banned umd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Santa Barbara, CA
    My Bikes
    Specialized Tarmac SL2, Specialized Tarmac SL, Giant TCR Composite, Specialized StumpJumper Expert HT
    Posts
    28,343
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by aham23 View Post
    ^^^^ i always thought there was an issue with using auto pause on a Garmin & WK0? i mean, it would make sense just to use auto pause or just stop it, but i dont want to mess up my data. too bad WK0 doesnt report total time and moving time like GC. later.
    It does. From today: "Duration: 3:20:51 (3:23:06)"

    The first number is the moving time, the second number (in parens) is the total time.

  12. #2562
    grilled cheesus aham23's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    8675309
    My Bikes
    2010 CAAD9 Custom, 06 Giant TCR C2 & 05 Specialized Hardrock Sport
    Posts
    6,933
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    ^^^^ i dont have WKO available to me right now, but i am not getting that. for my ride Monday it used the total time to cacluate the averages. made the avg speed 17.5 when it was closer to 18.5 and so on.

    are you using auto pause or stopping the time? if not i would assume WKO just looks at the zero power or zero speed time. i will have to check when i get home.

    pretty sure i have the latest build, but my 705 is behind a couple updates. thanks. later.

  13. #2563
    umd
    umd is offline
    Banned umd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Santa Barbara, CA
    My Bikes
    Specialized Tarmac SL2, Specialized Tarmac SL, Giant TCR Composite, Specialized StumpJumper Expert HT
    Posts
    28,343
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Yes, that's with auto pause. It's the difference between the total time and the recorded (moving) time.

  14. #2564
    avatar by Sean Powers mike868y's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    charm city
    My Bikes
    2009 Specialized Tarmac Pro
    Posts
    6,898
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    are you guys both on the same version of wko?
    Quote Originally Posted by gsteinb View Post
    it depends

  15. #2565
    grilled cheesus aham23's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    8675309
    My Bikes
    2010 CAAD9 Custom, 06 Giant TCR C2 & 05 Specialized Hardrock Sport
    Posts
    6,933
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by umd View Post
    Yes, that's with auto pause. It's the difference between the total time and the recorded (moving) time.
    excellent. i assume that is why i am not seeing the two times in WKO. what speed did you set it to pause at? i recall that 3 mph use to be recommended. much thanks. later.

  16. #2566
    umd
    umd is offline
    Banned umd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Santa Barbara, CA
    My Bikes
    Specialized Tarmac SL2, Specialized Tarmac SL, Giant TCR Composite, Specialized StumpJumper Expert HT
    Posts
    28,343
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by mike868y View Post
    are you guys both on the same version of wko?
    All versions of WKO that I have ever used showed the total and non-paused time. One or two builds a long time ago messed up the handling of auto-pauses when importing from TCX files, but they fixed it.

  17. #2567
    avatar by Sean Powers mike868y's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    charm city
    My Bikes
    2009 Specialized Tarmac Pro
    Posts
    6,898
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by umd View Post
    All versions of WKO that I have ever used showed the total and non-paused time. One or two builds a long time ago messed up the handling of auto-pauses when importing from TCX files, but they fixed it.
    alright. I've never used wko, but I knew that 3.0 introduced a lot of new features and that not every has upgraded. Figured it was worth asking.
    Quote Originally Posted by gsteinb View Post
    it depends

  18. #2568
    gmt Grumpy McTrumpy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Binghamton, NY
    Posts
    11,956
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    one thing about wko that is related to that (and annoying) is that data dropouts are "recorded" as paused time.

    because of this my one-hour mountain climbs didn't show up as one-hour and are excluded from my FTP power profile (only being some 58 minutes or whatever)

    I since learned that you should download stuff from the SRM to the SRM software and then export it to WKO

  19. #2569
    Roadie brian416's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Traverse City, MI
    Posts
    1,428
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by aham23 View Post
    ^^^^ i always thought there was an issue with using auto pause on a Garmin & WK0? i mean, it would make sense just to use auto pause or just stop it, but i dont want to mess up my data. too bad WK0 doesnt report total time and moving time like GC. later.
    There is no issue, use autopause, I personally use 2mph cutoff. I've compared my 705 to my PCVI and the TSS comes out the same using both computers

  20. #2570
    Writin' stuff ZeCanon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Boulder, CO
    Posts
    3,780
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Ok wireless powertap gurus, I need some help diagnosing. I've been on a wired one my entire powertap lifetime.

    Device: mtb disc powertap, 2.4 sl+, wireless.
    Issue: head unit cannot find hub in the middle of a ride. Low hub battery indicator flashy (in the top left of the screen) thing isn't flashing.

    Tried "find," does nothing.

    Here's the kicker: if I let the head unit turn all the way off (blank screen) then turn it back on, it reads the hub again. Did that once today, and it read again for a few minutes. Did it a again, and it read all the way home.

    Head unit battery? Ghosts?
    Velo Magazine/VeloNews.com tech guy get in touch or hit me on the tweeter @CaleyFretz

  21. #2571
    avatar by Sean Powers mike868y's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    charm city
    My Bikes
    2009 Specialized Tarmac Pro
    Posts
    6,898
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I had the same issue on my hub. I changed both the hub an the head unit battery and now all is well.
    Quote Originally Posted by gsteinb View Post
    it depends

  22. #2572
    Senior Member tallmantim's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Melbourne, Australia
    Posts
    910
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by ZeCanon View Post
    ...

    Head unit battery? Ghosts?
    At a guess, I would still say PT battery - when there is no drain on a battery for a bit it can have a little extra juice when first used again, then quickly goes back to very low power. In the middle of the ride you still have the hub trying to draw power, hence it cannot transmit and "find" does not work - not even enough to transmit low battery.

    When you stop for a bit, the hub fully powers down, you then start up again and it has enough power to transmit from the hub for a couple of minutes and then the available power crashes again.

  23. #2573
    Training Issaquatch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Issaquah, WA
    My Bikes
    2015 Focus Mares CX, 2008 Cannondale Supersix
    Posts
    293
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Allen and Coggan's recommended test for determining FTP includes a 5 minute all out effort before the 20 minute FTP test is done. Is it necessary to do the 5 minute effort first to get an accurate result in the 20 minute test later? I'm wondering if the intent of the 5 minute effort is (A) to drain anaerobic capacity so that the 20 minute test is done using more of the aerobic system, or (B) to open up the legs so that a bigger effort can be made in the 20 minute test. Today I did the 20 minute test and skipped the 5 minute all out effort because I've generally found that my results are worse when I warm up with that much intensity.

  24. #2574
    Training Issaquatch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Issaquah, WA
    My Bikes
    2015 Focus Mares CX, 2008 Cannondale Supersix
    Posts
    293
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Issaquatch View Post
    Allen and Coggan's recommended test for determining FTP includes a 5 minute all out effort before the 20 minute FTP test is done. Is it necessary to do the 5 minute effort first to get an accurate result in the 20 minute test later? I'm wondering if the intent of the 5 minute effort is (A) to drain anaerobic capacity so that the 20 minute test is done using more of the aerobic system, or (B) to open up the legs so that a bigger effort can be made in the 20 minute test. Today I did the 20 minute test and skipped the 5 minute all out effort because I've generally found that my results are worse when I warm up with that much intensity.
    I think I just found the answer to my own question. I re-read that section in the book and they say the goal of the 5 minute effort is to open up the legs, so I think it is okay to skip it given that I don't think it helps me.
    Last edited by Issaquatch; 08-19-10 at 06:38 PM.

  25. #2575
    Writin' stuff ZeCanon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Boulder, CO
    Posts
    3,780
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Do A and C say that the av watts for the 20 minutes is your FTP? if they do, then they want you to do the 5m to lose the anaerobic power. If they say to take .9-.95 of that 20 minute number, then warm up however you want.
    Velo Magazine/VeloNews.com tech guy get in touch or hit me on the tweeter @CaleyFretz

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •