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Old 02-20-09, 09:39 AM   #251
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For multiple rides/races, I just start a new interval for each one if I can't download.
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Old 02-20-09, 09:52 AM   #252
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I can't for the life of me figure this out.

Using WKO+ in graph view, how do I re-order the intervals on the left "Ranges" column?

ex. Out on the road I may sometimes forget to mark a certain interval, so I recreate it via highlighting the interval portion post-workout in graph view. However, when I create a new range, they automatically get sorted to the top of the range list, when the range I selected could be interval 3 out of 5. So the Ranges column would look like this:

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Ranges
Interval 3 <-
Interval 1
Interval 2
Interval 4
Entire Workout (x watts)
Peak 5s (x watts)
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when what I want is to sort in chronological order like so:

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Ranges
Interval 1
Interval 2
Interval 3 <-
Interval 4
Entire Workout (x watts)
Peak 5s (x watts)
.
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Any help would be appreciated!

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Old 02-20-09, 05:25 PM   #253
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when you guys do a ride with the PT, looking at the ride data, for say, the entire ride, do you look at np or ap to determine whether you've stayed in whatever zone you were attempting to do for the entire ride? like, if i were to do a z3 ride tomorrow, at the end of the ride would i look at np or ap to determine whether i did that?
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You don’t classify workouts using whole-ride statistics, as warm-up and recovery will really warp things. For a steady zone 3 effort you would take the average power for the “on” portions of the ride and check if they were on target. For long unsteady intervals (e.g. paceline) you would look at NP for the whole effort.
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Old 02-20-09, 06:53 PM   #255
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yea, that's what i meant about something like that, should've clarified. thanks.
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I can't for the life of me figure this out.

Using WKO+ in graph view, how do I re-order the intervals on the left "Ranges" column
I don't believe you can. I use the head unit intervals on the road for timing and to ensure I'm hitting my targets. When I look at the ride in WKO, I delete all the intervals, and hand select them by sight, from the end of the workout back. New intervals go on top, so you have to do the last one first.

Then I have them in chronological order.

Silly, huh? As a software engineer, I can appreciate the budget limitations though. They don't have that many customers. Yet.

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You don’t classify workouts using whole-ride statistics, as warm-up and recovery will really warp things. For a steady zone 3 effort you would take the average power for the “on” portions of the ride and check if they were on target. For long unsteady intervals (e.g. paceline) you would look at NP for the whole effort.
I also look at NP for steady efforts broken up by lights or other delays.
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Old 02-21-09, 12:30 PM   #257
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I'm probably mildly ******** for not figuring it out, but how do you get the dashed threshold wattage line to show up on the workout graph on wko+? I always see it in people's screenshots, but can't for the life of me get it to show up on mine...
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I'm probably mildly ******** for not figuring it out, but how do you get the dashed threshold wattage line to show up on the workout graph on wko+? I always see it in people's screenshots, but can't for the life of me get it to show up on mine...
double-click on the axis scale where you want to add a gridline.
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Rollers + PT ?

Does it still give accurate power readings or do I need a trainer? Put a deposit on the CAAD9 today, owner is going to sell the stock wheels for me. The PT is in the mail!
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Old 02-21-09, 07:19 PM   #260
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double-click on the axis scale where you want to add a gridline.
Good deal! Thanks
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Old 02-21-09, 07:24 PM   #261
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Rollers + PT ?

Does it still give accurate power readings or do I need a trainer? Put a deposit on the CAAD9 today, owner is going to sell the stock wheels for me. The PT is in the mail!
I have used my pt on rollers. You don't get much resistance on rollers though so....
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What about for 20 minute and 5 minute tests?
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Old 02-22-09, 11:34 AM   #263
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Just get a resistance unit or towels for the rollers.
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Old 02-22-09, 01:22 PM   #264
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I have a towel thrown under my rear roller wheels. I can do 415 watts for 5 minutes. If I need more resistance, I'll throw one under my front wheel.

The downside to this is that the roller stops very very fast.
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ok..in WKO+ on my power profile, why do i not have any 1' power showing up? i have the 5", 5' and FT power profiles, just no 1' power. is there some setting i need to change or what? thx
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I have a towel thrown under my rear roller wheels. I can do 415 watts for 5 minutes. If I need more resistance, I'll throw one under my front wheel.

The downside to this is that the roller stops very very fast.
Just what I was looking to hear, thanks! Any problems with the towel wearing out?
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ARRGH

Lost a workout because my powertap is doing something weird. I connect it to the USB port and it says "HOSE" like normal, but then the download to WKO+ didn't work. It wouldn't shut off after being idle for 15 minutes or switch modes when buttons were pressed or it was on the bike. I popped the battery out and back in to reboot it and the workout disapeared with it.

Now it's doing the same thing again, what is going on??
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ok..in WKO+ on my power profile, why do i not have any 1' power showing up? i have the 5", 5' and FT power profiles, just no 1' power. is there some setting i need to change or what? thx
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ARRGH

Lost a workout because my powertap is doing something weird. I connect it to the USB port and it says "HOSE" like normal, but then the download to WKO+ didn't work. It wouldn't shut off after being idle for 15 minutes or switch modes when buttons were pressed or it was on the bike. I popped the battery out and back in to reboot it and the workout disapeared with it.

Now it's doing the same thing again, what is going on??
First order of business: firmware update and see if that fixes it. You might check the battery voltage too.

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I haven't seen that. I would post the the question over on the Wattage forum. http://groups.google.com/group/wattage
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ARRGH

Lost a workout because my powertap is doing something weird. I connect it to the USB port and it says "HOSE" like normal, but then the download to WKO+ didn't work. It wouldn't shut off after being idle for 15 minutes or switch modes when buttons were pressed or it was on the bike. I popped the battery out and back in to reboot it and the workout disapeared with it.

Now it's doing the same thing again, what is going on??
Next time that happens dont pop the battery out. Unscrew the back plate for the battery, remove for a split second, then screw back. I have to do this every once in a while and the workout stays in the PT head.
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What about for 20 minute and 5 minute tests?
If your FTP is below 250W you can do a 20 min. test on the cheap nashbar rollers. I can get up to a steady 280-300W when I use 53x12 cranking at 100rpm's on my rollers.
But since my power sucks so bad I'm toast after 5 min at 260W anyway.
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Next time that happens dont pop the battery out. Unscrew the back plate for the battery, remove for a split second, then screw back. I have to do this every once in a while and the workout stays in the PT head.
Good to know, I figure be flash memory but apparently not.

It's a brand new powertap, do I really need to check the firmware?
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I got my powertap about 2 weeks ago and I was one firmware revision behind already.
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It won't show if it's too low. Mine took a while to get high enough to get onto the chart.
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