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irish pat 03-29-09 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by asgelle (Post 8624642)
Allen and Coggan (in that order).

Thanks, that's very informative and really helps everyone out:crash::trainwreck::thumb:

asgelle 03-29-09 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by irish pat (Post 8624835)
Thanks, that's very informative and really helps everyone out.

Your welcome. Credit (or blame) should go where it's deserved. The two authors did not contribute equally to all sections of the book. Only one of them is a coach.

Dr. Benjamin Franklin: ...[it] is like calling an ox a bull. He's thankful for the honor, but he'd much rather have restored what's rightfully his.

irish pat 03-29-09 07:57 PM

:50::geek::wtf:
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Originally Posted by asgelle (Post 8624914)
Your welcome. Credit (or blame) should go where it's deserved. The two authors did not contribute equally to all sections of the book. Only one of them is a coach.

Dr. Benjamin Franklin: ...[it] is like calling an ox a bull. He's thankful for the honor, but he'd much rather have restored what's rightfully his.


kudude 03-29-09 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by irish pat (Post 8622401)
No problem, I know what it's like, thanks for the amends.

PM me if you run into problems getting it up and running, glad to be able to help.

....and it's working.

New batteries in the hub and all is well. Thanks for the help

irish pat 03-29-09 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kudude (Post 8625250)
....and it's working.

New batteries in the hub and all is well. Thanks for the help

Awesome, welcome to training with power and seeing how much you suck, in detail.

Dubbayoo 03-30-09 10:16 AM

What gear range do you guys produce your most power in? I'm purposely limiting my sprinting to really small gears for now going up one gear per month (34x13 this month, 50x17 next, 50x16, etc) so I was curious where 5sec power usually peaks for most.

ridethecliche 03-30-09 10:59 AM

For me it peaks with cadence. I have to have a really high cadence (150 or so) to get the power up.

umd 03-30-09 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ridethecliche (Post 8628534)
For me it peaks with cadence. I have to have a really high cadence (150 or so) to get the power up.

Me as well. I had my highest 5s of 990W on Saturday at about 120rpm. I'm not sure which gear I was in but I started in my 39 near the middle of my cassette and shifted at least once during and hit 34mph.

ridethecliche 03-30-09 11:22 AM

Actually going back and looking at it, I think it's closer to like 110 rpm for my max.

This is my best recorded sprint as far as wattage is concerned.

Peak 5s (1253 watts):
Duration: 0:05
Work: 6 kJ
TSS: n/a
Norm Power: n/a
VI: n/a
Pw:HR: n/a
Pa:HR: n/a
Distance: 211 ft
Min Max Avg
Power: 1236 1283 1253 watts
Heart Rate: 0 0 0 bpm
Cadence: 93 108 101 rpm
Speed: 26.6 30.3 28.7 mph
Pace 1:59 2:15 2:05 min/mi
Crank Torque: 975 1126 1055 lb-in

Peak 10s (1155 watts):
Duration: 0:10
Work: 12 kJ
TSS: n/a
Norm Power: n/a
VI: n/a
Pw:HR: n/a
Pa:HR: n/a
Distance: 431 ft
Min Max Avg
Power: 972 1283 1155 watts
Heart Rate: 0 0 0 bpm
Cadence: 87 115 104 rpm
Speed: 25.2 31.3 29.4 mph
Pace 1:55 2:23 2:03 min/mi
Crank Torque: 714 1126 948 lb-in

procrit 03-30-09 11:23 AM

power = torque x rpm

That's why you peak at a higher rpm.

Dubbayoo 03-30-09 11:25 AM

I know on the track it peaks around 150rpm so I guess there's still some room to grow then. I did five sprints in 34x13 Saturday with max rpms of 176, 180, 172, 171, and 178. Peak 5sec power was 1,067. Due to the Polar's lag what it shows for 1sec power is really more like 3sec power. I think the KK computer showed 1,287 or nearabouts.

I think right now 50x15 would be the top for me.

umd 03-30-09 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ridethecliche (Post 8628707)
Peak 5s (1253 watts)

I hate you :cry:

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Originally Posted by procrit (Post 8628718)
power = torque x rpm

That's why you peak at a higher rpm.

Well of course, but that's not the whole story because it's a balance between torque and rpm. You could generate a lot more torque but not be able to spin it around fast enough, or get up to a really high cadence with less torque. So it's finding that balance where the loss of torque is made up for by the increased cadence, or vice-versa...

ridethecliche 03-30-09 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by umd (Post 8628808)
I hate you :cry:

Meh. My FTP is still half of what yours is.

Atleast you can get to the front for the final sprint...

(I'm still annoyed at myself for slowing down after the crash with 2 to go. I had perfect positioning for the sprint. I had to burn too big of a match to get back at the front and couldn't stand to sprint since my legs were burning too much...)

procrit 03-30-09 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by umd (Post 8628808)
I hate you :cry:



Well of course, but that's not the whole story because it's a balance between torque and rpm. You could generate a lot more torque but not be able to spin it around fast enough, or get up to a really high cadence with less torque. So it's finding that balance where the loss of torque is made up for by the increased cadence, or vice-versa...

Agreed...

kudude 03-30-09 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ridethecliche (Post 8628914)
Meh. My FTP is still half of what yours is.

Atleast you can get to the front for the final sprint...

(I'm still annoyed at myself for slowing down after the crash with 2 to go. I had perfect positioning for the sprint. I had to burn too big of a match to get back at the front and couldn't stand to sprint since my legs were burning too much...)

I don't know how you guys roll down in socal, but around here, good positioning with 2 to go doesn't mean ****. The best you can be is not ****ed. From there you have to fight to keep/gain spots before the final turn.

umd 03-30-09 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kudude (Post 8629292)
I don't know how you guys roll down in socal, but around here, good positioning with 2 to go doesn't mean ****. The best you can be is not ****ed. From there you have to fight to keep/gain spots before the final turn.

I agree... he's not socal though.

kudude 03-30-09 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by umd (Post 8629450)
I agree... he's not socal though.

confused him with photonick

ridethecliche 03-30-09 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by kudude (Post 8629292)
I don't know how you guys roll down in socal, but around here, good positioning with 2 to go doesn't mean ****. The best you can be is not ****ed. From there you have to fight to keep/gain spots before the final turn.

It means a lot when you've got the strength to hold onto it for 2 laps. I was feeling great.

The 3/4 race I did right after wasn't all that hard, and I was never really in any difficulty, but I just couldn't move up for some reason. I guess I was a little freaked after all the crashes and the near miss I had when I got run into a curb...

umd 03-30-09 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by kudude (Post 8631334)
confused him with photonick

Sometimes I want to buy a plane ticket and go travel to one of the other areas talked about on here and try a race for fun and see how they compare... Last two times I went back east there weren't any races nearby.

jonestr 03-30-09 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by umd (Post 8631478)
Sometimes I want to buy a plane ticket and go travel to one of the other areas talked about on here and try a race for fun and see how they compare... Last two times I went back east there weren't any races nearby.

Based on your power numbers you would be a top 3 around NM and could easily be a 2. I imagine your 5s power is going to hold you back in socal where it is so crit laden. It sounds like you have enough climbing races to make up for it though and your 1minute power is nice for those 1k flyers.

ridethecliche 03-30-09 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by umd (Post 8631478)
Sometimes I want to buy a plane ticket and go travel to one of the other areas talked about on here and try a race for fun and see how they compare... Last two times I went back east there weren't any races nearby.

You should come race bethel next year ;)

LT Intolerant 03-30-09 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by umd (Post 8631478)
Sometimes I want to buy a plane ticket and go travel to one of the other areas talked about on here and try a race for fun and see how they compare... Last two times I went back east there weren't any races nearby.

Having raced in New England its just as fast as what we experience in CA, both NCal and SCal. People like to think that CA Cycling is faster/stronger than other parts of the country (with the exception of CO) but IMO its just a myth. We've got our fast guys out here but they have them in other parts of the country as well.

Flatballer 03-30-09 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ridethecliche (Post 8631691)
You should come race bethel next year ;)

Or come out for Fitchburg. I'm possibly coming up for that, even though I'm not a climber. I just want to be a part of such an awesome stage race. Maybe I'll be able to do something in the crit.

It would be a great race for umd though, pretty hilly from what I hear.

umd 03-30-09 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by LT Intolerant (Post 8631894)
Having raced in New England its just as fast as what we experience in CA, both NCal and SCal. People like to think that CA Cycling is faster/stronger than other parts of the country (with the exception of CO) but IMO its just a myth. We've got our fast guys out here but they have them in other parts of the country as well.

I don't expect it to be any faster... my theory is just that it's not a deep in less populated areas. I wasn't thinking that the areas for people here would be much different, just that it would be fun for something different

LT Intolerant 03-30-09 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by umd (Post 8631988)
I don't expect it to be any faster... my theory is just that it's not a deep in less populated areas. I wasn't thinking that the areas for people here would be much different, just that it would be fun for something different

First off I think its great to go race elsewhere. I love racing in NE, and have enjoyed racing in NM, CO, and AZ. Everywhere you go there are great races that are worth traveling for.

I also agree that CA has "deeper" fields, but as you know, all it takes is 6 or 7 animals in a group to make a race killer hard. I know you know this because YOU are one of those animals.


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