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Old 03-21-13, 04:15 PM
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Didn't we already answer that question? Trainer power is down between 5%-10% versus the road. That said, don't get fixated with the number. It is just a number to set your training levels from. Change from that number is what is important. Finally, pick a test method and stick to it.
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Originally Posted by shovelhd
Didn't we already answer that question? Trainer power is down between 5%-10% versus the road. That said, don't get fixated with the number. It is just a number to set your training levels from. Change from that number is what is important. Finally, pick a test method and stick to it.

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Another Quarq question...

Is it normal that the display will show lines when you stop at a stoplight and are not moving? It's like it goes into a sleep mode until you start to pedal again. When I download my files to WKO there are gaps where the power drops to zero, stops recording, and then picks up at 300-400w as I leave the light\stop sign (yes I stop ).

I'm use the powertap and it would always just sit at zero until you pedaled away...
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Originally Posted by rbart4506
Another Quarq question...

Is it normal that the display will show lines when you stop at a stoplight and are not moving? It's like it goes into a sleep mode until you start to pedal again. When I download my files to WKO there are gaps where the power drops to zero, stops recording, and then picks up at 300-400w as I leave the light\stop sign (yes I stop ).

I'm use the powertap and it would always just sit at zero until you pedaled away...
Is this with a garmin? That's not normal if you have it set up properly. Make sure auto-pause is OFF.
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Yup, with a garmin and auto-pause is off...It was buggering up my PT files with it ON...
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Originally Posted by rbart4506
Yup, with a garmin and auto-pause is off...It was buggering up my PT files with it ON...
Any chance the dropouts don't correlate with you stopping at lights/stop signs? Maybe the battery's just low. Check the cadence magnet as well, mine's gotten pretty dirty with road grit before and I've suspected it to be the cause of similar issues.
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I’ve had my powertap for some time now and put thousands of miles on it. It seems to be working fine.
Is there any preventative maintenance to be done?
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I just got a great deal on a 2nd PT from another BFer (teammate who's moving). Will be nice to have one for the trainer and commuting.
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Originally Posted by slynkie
Any chance the dropouts don't correlate with you stopping at lights/stop signs? Maybe the battery's just low. Check the cadence magnet as well, mine's gotten pretty dirty with road grit before and I've suspected it to be the cause of similar issues.
I doubt it...Quarq is new...

Just had a look at the latest file and the drops definitely correlate with stops along the route as we leave town. Once out of town everything is normal.
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Originally Posted by rbart4506
I doubt it...Quarq is new...

Just had a look at the latest file and the drops definitely correlate with stops along the route as we leave town. Once out of town everything is normal.
Weird...would your garmin happen to be a new 510/810? I'm only familiar with the 500. Maybe this is expected with newer devices/firmware.
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Nope, it's a Garmin500...But I am running firmware 2.4 which is outdated...

I emailed Quarq with a snipit from my WKO file for their comment.
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Originally Posted by rbart4506
Nope, it's a Garmin500...But I am running firmware 2.4 which is outdated...

I emailed Quarq with a snipit from my WKO file for their comment.
Isn't 2.4 before they let you always record 1" sampling? "Smart Sampling" or whatever they call it, is a bit of a disaster in some situations.
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Quite possible...

I can tell that when it does drop out it goes to 'smart recording' by looking at the raw file in WKO. Where there are dropouts the data points are not every second, but if there is power/cadence then it's every second.

It's interesting, when the speed is '0' (stopped) there is no cadence or power showing, but if there is speed then the cadence shows up as '0' and power '0' (coasting)...
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20 min. indoor test coming up. pray for me.
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Originally Posted by rbart4506
Quite possible...

I can tell that when it does drop out it goes to 'smart recording' by looking at the raw file in WKO. Where there are dropouts the data points are not every second, but if there is power/cadence then it's every second.

It's interesting, when the speed is '0' (stopped) there is no cadence or power showing, but if there is speed then the cadence shows up as '0' and power '0' (coasting)...
Definitely sounds like smart recording, which frankly just isn't compatible with using a PM.
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Originally Posted by hammy56
20 min. indoor test coming up. pray for me.
Won't help. You'll still suffer miserably and get a ludicrously low result.

Oh wait, I was referring to my effort yesterday, and that was outdoors.
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I borrowed a ptap last night. Gonna try and test this afternoon.
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Lol. How's the altitude treating you? Just wait 'til you get back to the low lands
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ugh...im not doing that ever again...suffer that bad for those numbers? eff that.

and to add insult to suffering, my garmin went to 'auto pause' three times for a few seconds during the test. Im adding a few watts for that.
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I tried to d-load training peaks and power agent on my mac but get this error-

"Install power agent cant be opened because it is from an unidentified developer"..."Your security preferences allow installation of only apps from Mac App store and identified developers". wtf?
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