Yeah, the tailwind certainly makes it easier to go a given speed. The thing is that max power is max power no matter how fast you're going. The big difference with the tailwind is that it allows you to accelerate more, and rapidly increase your cadence, and I believe that this allows the gearing to help with your dwindling power during the sprint. Work on your timing and rhythm.
Also, test for 7", not 5. You don't want to miss the good samples. |
Originally Posted by waterrockets
(Post 8648981)
Yeah, the tailwind certainly makes it easier to go a given speed. The thing is that max power is max power no matter how fast you're going. The big difference with the tailwind is that it allows you to accelerate more, and rapidly increase your cadence, and I believe that this allows the gearing to help with your dwindling power during the sprint. Work on your timing and rhythm.
Also, test for 7", not 5. You don't want to miss the good samples. |
That's fine for training, but if you're testing, I find it better not to burn up on one or two sprints. I can get several solid tests in at 7". If I go for a full 15", my power will start to fall off after two.
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Weird, my sprints are highly repeatable but low power. I hit my peak wattage for a 20' sprint workout on the 5th sprint, saw a 12% decline on the 9th and 10th sprint.
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Going to lay off the top end stuff and just concentrate on getting good sst work daily... so group rides are out maybe just the Sat. shootout ride to gauge progress biweekly
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Originally Posted by Hocam
(Post 8650121)
Weird, my sprints are highly repeatable but low power. I hit my peak wattage for a 20' sprint workout on the 5th sprint, saw a 12% decline on the 9th and 10th sprint.
My theory is that the top-end that separates me a bit is a single-use benefit. Same with 1' power. I get one spectacular mushroom cloud, then I'm normal. |
Originally Posted by chrisvu05
(Post 8647971)
New records for me tonight (although I've only been using a PT for a few days now):
5s max 1363 1m max 485 Both of these were done during the course of a normal ride. The 5s max is probably close to true as it was a sprint up a steep incline but the 1 min will be higher as I didn't do a true WRI. I'm excited for my numbers as I've only been back riding for about a month after 4 months off due to injury. Not bad for a Cat 4 who sucks and weighs 230+....If only I were 165 with those power numbers I was a mid pack 4 with those numbers @ 165... http://blogs.townonline.com/brooklin...bie_downer.jpg |
Originally Posted by wfrogge
(Post 8650514)
I was a mid pack 4 with those numbers @ 165...
http://blogs.townonline.com/brooklin...bie_downer.jpg |
Originally Posted by waterrockets
(Post 8650030)
That's fine for training, but if you're testing, I find it better not to burn up on one or two sprints. I can get several solid tests in at 7". If I go for a full 15", my power will start to fall off after two.
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Originally Posted by chrisvu05
(Post 8650704)
and that my friends is why I can't keep up on the climbs. However I would assume I'm going to be over 1400w for 5s and prolly closer to 550-600w for 1 min (haven't truly done a 1 minute test). Which is still not enough, I know full well that my watts/kg need to be improved and really the best way is going to be losing weight unless I'm gaining hundreds of watts which isn't too likely.
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Originally Posted by umd
(Post 8651163)
I think that 5" especially and 1' to a lessser extent are very acceleration based and w/kg is still very imporant especially if you are talking about a race-winning move such as establishing a break or the final run to the line. The longer durations seem IMO to skew more to raw power or W/cda unless you are talking about a long climb.
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Originally Posted by chrisvu05
(Post 8652520)
I don't know too many people that can out sprint me so the 5 sec and 1 minute for me atleast the watts/kg don't really matter. My problem is being there for the sprint...anything over a minute is a long climb for me and my pace really takes a hit.
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I'm a 4...there don't seem to be alot of sprinters around here...just alot of little climbers. Yes I haven't raced in the 3s and above so I'm sure a lot of those guys can outsprint me. In fact last week, my buddy and I were riding and decided to sprint and we were neck and neck until I died because i'm not in shape. He just upgraded to a 2.
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Originally Posted by waterrockets
(Post 8648634)
One note on the 5" power, you might see if you can do better on a completely flat course, with a tailwind. I can get 50-100W more in those conditions. My theory is that the cadence decrease helps me overcome some of the blowout from the initial jump.
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Originally Posted by chrisvu05
(Post 8653032)
I'm a 4...there don't seem to be alot of sprinters around here...just alot of little climbers. Yes I haven't raced in the 3s and above so I'm sure a lot of those guys can outsprint me. In fact last week, my buddy and I were riding and decided to sprint and we were neck and neck until I died because i'm not in shape. He just upgraded to a 2.
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Originally Posted by waterrockets
(Post 8650474)
Yeah, my non-sprinter friends are the same way. Notably, when my power falls off in the 3rd sprint, it's still at a bit higher W/kg than my non-sprinter friends, and it's repeatable.
My theory is that the top-end that separates me a bit is a single-use benefit. Same with 1' power. I get one spectacular mushroom cloud, then I'm normal. |
Originally Posted by procrit
(Post 8653581)
Funny you say that, ALL of my wattages are up vs RPE with a tailwind. Yesterday I was cruising along at 290 watts @ 30mph, but with a cross/head wind my mph dropped to around 19-20, and I was at 270 for the same RPE. Could be mental though...
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Originally Posted by umd
(Post 8653886)
I think it has something to do with momentum. I found that I'm able to hit consistently higher sustained power with my race wheels vs. my training wheels (crank PM).
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That would explain a higher speed but not higher power output.
I think it's a placebo effect of "I've got my fast wheels on now, so now I'm fast" kind of thing. |
Just a thought, but I also find that I can put out more power on my race bike with good wheels, and also my race shoes-which I only wear on sunny days- maybe because I am more comfortable, less flex in the frame wheels, I don't know-might be a silly thought.
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Originally Posted by Hocam
(Post 8655320)
That would explain a higher speed but not higher power output.
I think it's a placebo effect of "I've got my fast wheels on now, so now I'm fast" kind of thing. |
Originally Posted by Hocam
(Post 8655320)
That would explain a higher speed but not higher power output.
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so....Coggan.
interesting guy. |
Originally Posted by kudude
(Post 8655816)
so....Coggan.
interesting guy. |
QUESTION My second power workout today, club ride, I worked hard, went home, and downloaded my data. My question is how come my PT broke my workout into 4 workouts... I didn't touch it during the ride, yet there were 4 workouts when I uploaded the data. We stopped once for a flat and had 2 regroup points along the way. Did the PT automatically start a new session each time I stopped? If so how can I get it to autopause, then resume the same workout on longer rides?
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