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    Wouldn't hurt to give Saris a call. Their phone support is awesome, and when I've called, the one answering the phone knows how to build these things, but I haven't had to call in like 5 years.

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    I was only satisfied, not delighted, with Saris customer support on my CycleOps wheelset using the G3 hub. Short story, a lot of time and hassle to get my G3 hub problem resolved.

    Can't remember if I posted in this thread or a separate one, but I had side-play in a brand new wheel with a G3 hub. After phone calls and emails, I returned the wheel to Saris (CycleOps) and they sent it back (10-day turnaround) but the side-play issue was unchanged. More emails and phone calls and they sent me some new end caps for the axle, but that wasn't the problem. Finally got them to send me a whole new wheelset which they sent pretty quickly. This was not an optimal solution as the original wheels had Velocity A23 rims and I was very happy with the wide rims for the short time that I got to use them. The replacement wheels had Sun-Ringle rims (CycleOps doesn't stock wheels with the Velocity rims any longer) that are 21 mm wide and definitely don't exhibit the same benefits as the 23 mm wide rims. I sent the original wheels back (shipping pre-paid by Saris) after I got the new wheels.

    What bothered me most was that they sent my original wheels back without solving the problem. Either the customer rep with whom I was communicating, didn't identify the problem correctly to the tech or the tech didn't check to see if what he/she did actually fixed the problem. The new axle caps were just a stab in the dark but at least I have spares of those now.
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    Just got off the phone with them and will send it in for the overhaul. Since I bought mine second hand, the new G3 internals and 1 year warranty should cover me for awhile. Let's hope it is smooth sailing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Number400 View Post
    Just got off the phone with them and will send it in for the overhaul. Since I bought mine second hand, the new G3 internals and 1 year warranty should cover me for awhile. Let's hope it is smooth sailing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cleave View Post
    Short story, a lot of time and hassle to get my G3 problem resolved.
    The G3 is long in the tooth. You both need to upgrade to a G650. Better engines and fuel economy.

    And you need to start taking me to the races. Fitchburg is coming up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    The G3 is long in the tooth. You both need to upgrade to a G650. Better engines and fuel economy.

    And you need to start taking me to the races. Fitchburg is coming up.
    With a G650 you should be taking all of us to the races!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy STi View Post
    With a G650 you should be taking all of us to the races!
    Let's be at least a little choosy here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    Fitchburg is coming up.
    Woah woah woah. You making a road trip out here? You know what that means, don't you? You get to crush me in the same field and get to tell BF all about it. That alone would make it worth the trip.

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    Hah. If you look at my HR, Cadence, and Power you can see exactly when I was dropped from the lead group. After which I was caught by the chase group, then dropped two laps later. Then I rode with some kid from Purdue who almost crashed while riding over wet man-hole covers.

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    Compared to yesterday's race where I was in the chase group for 2/3rds of the race.
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    re-trest your ftp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsutkeepspining View Post
    re-trest your ftp.
    Not arguing, but why do you say that? (Seriously, trying to learn.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ancker View Post
    Not arguing, but why do you say that? (Seriously, trying to learn.)
    Because your maximum 30 minute power would normally be less than 114% of FTP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by globecanvas View Post
    Because your maximum 30 minute power would normally be less than 114% of FTP.
    Where is the cut off? At 30 minutes, 14% doesn't seem like much if I'm supposed to be able to hold 100% FTP for an hour.
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    what gc said. I could understand 105 and maybe a bit over, but 114 and you're talking like 10 minute all out effort or so
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    14% throws oyu way into vo2max. remember technically 105% is nar your max 20 minute effort
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    Power pacing question. I don't feel like I have a good understanding of how to pace a 10-15 minute effort, or anything in the gray zone in between VO2max and FTP.

    Just to have some numbers to talk about, say CP12 is 110% of FTP. Is it better to try to hold 110% consistently for 12 minutes, or to do something like 115%/110%/105% for 4 minutes each.

    I could be totally wrong headed in my understanding of how these systems work, but I have been trying to pace these efforts consistently and finding it difficult. Once I'm at about 110% it feels like the VO2max match is burning and although it's possible to burn faster for a short period of time, it seems not possible to burn that particular match slowly for a long period of time.

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    okay, so for a 12 minute tt (i'm assuming this is what you mean). i would sprint to get up to speed then hold a bit below 110% maybe 108% or so for the first minute, then i would ramp up to 110% and try and hold it for the rest of the interval. Alot of times people will jump and sprint hard, then hold like 130% for a mintue, back down, hold 110% for 7-8 minutes, hold 105% for the next 2 minute, then just 100% for the last minute. they might average around 110% but they will end up being slower than someone who does the reverse of what they did.

    my 10 minute max is a bit over 111% from my last really hard 10 minute all out effort, i ended up just holding a constant wattage. I kind of knew what i could do from a smilar effort not to long before it, so i just held 110-115% the entire time with 2 sprints (one ot start the effort, and one right after a corner).

    for 15 minutes i would be rolling closer to 105-108% as the range. and then for 20 it's really 105% is my max.
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    In a TT of that duration, you should still shoot for the steady pace, if there are no climbs, corners, or headwind. So steady pace in a roller race... Everywhere else, you're going to go harder on the hard parts, and recover a bit on the easy parts.

    Search around for TT pacing. General thought is that you should go out at what feels too easy, and the same pace will eventually bump your RPE to where it should be. You give a bit more for hills, headwinds, and corner exits, then recover slightly on descents. If you go too hard at the beginning, and there's no course advantage, then all you did was fight more wind than your actual capability, and you pay for it later with speed.

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    ^^^My fastest short distance (15km) TT times have come when I follow that recipe...

    Get up to speed quickly, settle into that too easy pace and ramp it up as TT goes on. I try and do the last km or so maxed out (HR)...

    I'll be testing it out tonight
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    Thanks for the advice. The efforts in question are actually hill climbs (we have a lot of 10-15 minute consistent grade climbs around here).

    Quote Originally Posted by globecanvas View Post
    Once I'm at about 110% it feels like the VO2max match is burning and although it's possible to burn faster for a short period of time, it seems not possible to burn that particular match slowly for a long period of time.
    It seems like the crux is to ride these efforts just over the edge of VO2max but without going too far into the red. I have a good sense of how straight up VO2max efforts feel, and how threshold efforts feel, but these in-between efforts seem to take a lot more focus to stay right on that edge.

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    That they do. Focus is the key to pacing well. I start out at target for 2 minutes. It will feel too easy. By the middle, it is a strong effort. With 2 minutes left it sucks.

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    More Quarq confusion tonight...

    Did my local club 15km TT on the road bike, no aero equipment...
    Time 23:55
    Power 187w
    HR 175
    Speed 36.6kmh

    Did the same TT 2years ago with my PT...
    Time 23:55
    Power 223w
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    Speed 36.6kmh

    Last week I did a CTS 8min test (2x8min) with the Quarq...It was an out and back
    Time 8:00
    Power 253w
    HR 171
    Speed 37.1kmh

    Time 8:00
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    HR 174
    Speed 36.8kmh

    So I'm thinking something is amiss with tonight's TT, seems a tad low to me...Calibration was within spec for the TT, -93 before and -110 after. That was the case for the CTS test as well. I think it might need to go back considering it flaked out a few weeks ago in the heavy rain.
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    But hey, great customer service

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    Yea I know, tell me about it...
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    I know that I am opening myself up for wonderful flaming here but I need to ask this: How do you work on effective pacing? Or maybe I should ask what constitutes effective pacing? When you are aiming for a percentage or a range of values obviously your power is going to be bouncing around alot and that is why you typically use 3-second average. But from there when you watch that 3-second how far does it deviate? 10 Watts? 20 Watts?

    I keep realizing that I have a horribly hard time relating RPE with power. trying to carefully increase my power output 10 or 20 watts takes very very careful concentration.

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    It's a great question with a simple answer. Practice. Riding long tempo intervals is a good way to do it. The higher the output, the faster your pacing falls apart, so practice at the lower output. You will still get ragged towards the end, just more slowly. Technically, I watch HR, AP, NP, and 3s AP. HR will drift upwards as you tire but it should stay steady. On a flat course AP and NP should be within a watt.

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