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Old 05-08-13, 06:36 AM   #4851
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But from there when you watch that 3-second how far does it deviate? 10 Watts? 20 Watts?
On a flat or consistent grade I can usually keep the 3s power within +/- 5w of the target. On rolling terrain the best I can do is maybe +/- 30w.

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Old 05-08-13, 06:58 AM   #4852
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Cadence. I forgot cadence. I watch that, too. My typical racing cadence in a flat criterium is between 95-105 when on the power but not sprinting. For pacing efforts, 87 seems to be the sweet spot for me. Pedaling in circles makes for smoother output, and 87 seems to be the best cadence for that. For me. Find that cadence for you, and pacing will improve.
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Old 05-08-13, 07:05 AM   #4853
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I know that I am opening myself up for wonderful flaming here but I need to ask this: How do you work on effective pacing? Or maybe I should ask what constitutes effective pacing? When you are aiming for a percentage or a range of values obviously your power is going to be bouncing around alot and that is why you typically use 3-second average. But from there when you watch that 3-second how far does it deviate? 10 Watts? 20 Watts?

I keep realizing that I have a horribly hard time relating RPE with power. trying to carefully increase my power output 10 or 20 watts takes very very careful concentration.
If the interval is long enough that it will average out, I pay more attention to cadence than power. I will find whatever cadence roughly = my target power and try to hold that through whatever ups and downs the road has. That's actually closer to the efforts I'm going to put in during a race as I don't keep my eyes on the power then either.

And if the interval is short I'm probably closer to an all out effort anyway so 'pacing' is just whatever I can manage.

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Old 05-08-13, 07:12 AM   #4854
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The guy you need to hear from on this subject is RacerEx. He's a national record holder, and probably knows more about pacing than all of us combined.
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The guy you need to hear from on this subject is RacerEx. He's a national record holder, and probably knows more about pacing than all of us combined.
Agreed.
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Old 05-08-13, 08:28 AM   #4856
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So planning on switching to 11speed/new frame etc with powermeter a possible decision. Seems like the most affordable 11speed upgrade is campy. That being said, I am having a hard time figuring out what crank based powermeter to choose(SRM to pricey unless I am missing a used deal somewhere?haven't checked).

Sounds like the new riken quarq would work but shifting would not be ideal. I could go with a spider option(like the cannondale) but it is more pricey than the riken and I would need chainrings.

I think I could do Stronglight,rotor or praxis with campy but I guess I am asking if I need to remove the chainrings from the riken or is their an easier option? 11speed record chainrings work on riken spider?

Also seems rotor power cranks are an option but that is getting way to pricey.
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Old 05-08-13, 08:40 AM   #4857
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Have you looked into Power2max: http://www.power2max.ca/index.php/sh...ter-crank.html

Here is a review with tech info: http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2013/01/p...th-review.html
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I've heard somewhat good things about the Stages PM. I have a Riken and love it.
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Old 05-08-13, 09:01 AM   #4859
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I was aware when they originally came to the market and was turned off by the accuracy. However, this latest version has temperature correction and wow what a review! Accuracy tests seem to be adequate as well. This may very well be the solution I am looking for and well priced!
2yr warranty may need some investigation.
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Old 05-09-13, 07:07 PM   #4860
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Quarq question on calibration....Any issues calibrating on the little ring?

That's the only difference that I can think of on my club TT funky numbers. On tonight's ride I had to do a 5km TT and calibrated before that effort. Made sure to do it on the big ring and the resultant numbers matched up with my results from last week's 8min test. Prior to the club TT I calibrated, but I'm almost certain I was in the little ring because I had just stopped for a nature break.
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Old 05-09-13, 07:29 PM   #4861
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It doesn't matter what ring you're in when you zero a Quarq.
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Old 05-09-13, 08:04 PM   #4862
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Ok, toss that idea out...
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Old 05-13-13, 08:25 AM   #4863
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Trying out the "Travel a bunch and barely get on the bike" training method these next couple weeks.

I'll let you know how it goes with my "A" race in a month....
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Old 05-14-13, 05:30 PM   #4864
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I need to retest my ftp, is there an optimum rest period prior to a test. I tried to retest about a week and a half ago and utterly failed, I could not keep my watts up. I was thinking about taking an easy week and testing this Saturday. My CTL is 103 and my ATL is 96, the day before it was 105.5 and 112.

Also how much of a climb is too much for a test?

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Old 05-14-13, 06:36 PM   #4865
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Well, i dont like too much rest, maybe just two days worth (super duper easy hour the first day, then one day of openers the day before). it sets me up to preform well.

Climbing: It depends. Is there alot of decending? If yes, find a flatter route, if no go ahead, but start using the same route all the time. it is one less variable you have to worry about
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Old 05-14-13, 06:39 PM   #4866
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oh you meant like one climb. find a climb that will take between 21 minutes and 30 minutes, and roll as hard as you can for 20 minutes, at the end turn around and roll down. This way if u suprise yourself you wont run out of road.
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Thought of a good road that is slightly uphill and not a "real" climb so I'll try that. Couple easy days sounds right, treat it like a TT.
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Old 05-15-13, 04:02 PM   #4869
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Trying out the "Travel a bunch and barely get on the bike" training method these next couple weeks.

I'll let you know how it goes with my "A" race in a month....
Oh yeah, add in "get a cold" to the mix. Fun.
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I should have a power meter arriving today. so... bump.
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Just downloaded GC v3.0 and am pleased to see all the extra features... still need to get used to the GUI.

Question: Should the "PMC Stress Balance Today" in Preferences be checked? I can't remember if this box was checked or not before I updated to 3.0
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Old 06-13-13, 08:31 PM   #4875
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I should have a power meter arriving today. so... bump.
Thought you swore them off...
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