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    Just received my wireless Ptap Pro+ built into an Open Pro. I showed up at the LBS after the Sat morning ride and they're like, "you're wheels are here, we emailed you." I had received no email. And don't they know that a singing telegram would've been more appropriate for such an occasion? I was thinking they'd take a few more weeks anyway so I was surprised. Oh well, I bought & installed new tires & tubes, cleaned & swapped my cassette. I'm sure I'll have plenty of numbers and questions shortly. And yes, I've read Training & Racing... about 3 times.

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    WKO+ gridlines - move/remove

    anybody know how to move, remove, eliminate gridlines that one has added to graphs? i've read the manual, 411, searched googlegroups wattage, and searched bikeforums - no luck. the only thing that works is to quit wko+ without saving. i have not tried saving with an added gridline to see if it remains - don't want to do that until i learn how to remove gridlines

    such a simple thing; frustrating that i can't figure this out on my own

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    never mind....

    as soon as i posted this i figured it out: double click on the scale (one of: watts, bpm, rpm, mph, kph) and a dialog appears where you can hide, edit, remove the gridlines

    i guess it helps to to wave your hands and yell "i'm an idiot" to attract the clue bat; thanks bf, for wielding the bat once again
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikerhymeswith View Post
    anybody know how to move, remove, eliminate gridlines that one has added to graphs? i've read the manual, 411, searched googlegroups wattage, and searched bikeforums - no luck. the only thing that works is to quit wko+ without saving. i have not tried saving with an added gridline to see if it remains - don't want to do that until i learn how to remove gridlines

    such a simple thing; frustrating that i can't figure this out on my own

    thanks
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    never mind....

    as soon as i posted this i figured it out: double click on the scale (one of: watts, bpm, rpm, mph, kph) and a dialog appears where you can hide, edit, remove the gridlines

    i guess it helps to to wave your hands and yell "i'm an idiot" to attract the clue bat; thanks bf, for wielding the bat once again
    i needed this info. thanks for posting
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    rode hard thursday, sat., and today for 716 TSS total. yesterday was the hardest, 297 TSS (.908 IF for 3hr38min). i feel tired, but ok, like i could ride again tomorrow without it being a total waste.

    my question is, should this be possible? or do i really need to re-test my FTP?

    i don't want/need to push it, so i'll take tomorrow and maybe even tuesday off, i'm just curious.

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    coggan seems to indicate that if you're into 300 tss territory that it should bake you for at least the next day, maybe two. More experienced comments welcome, of course
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    I think it depends on your ctl and the mix of time/intensity. All TSS is not created equal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by umd View Post
    I think it depends on your ctl and the mix of time/intensity. All TSS is not created equal.
    well, my CTL is relatively low - after these last 4 days, it's at 52. the rides were very variable (VIs of 1.29, 1.38, and 1.4). total time was 8.5 hrs, and included 1:16:29 in anaerobic zone. distribution is attached -
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    I dunno, I did about 360 TSS last saturday and followed it up with about 215 on Sunday. I was pretty worthless by the end of the second ride but after a rest day I put in my highest ever 20m power

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    Quote Originally Posted by umd View Post
    I dunno, I did about 360 TSS last saturday and followed it up with about 215 on Sunday. I was pretty worthless by the end of the second ride but after a rest day I put in my highest ever 20m power
    hah, nice you've got quite a huge base compared to me (and most people) though!

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    .908 for 3 1/2 hrs is not typically realistic. You should be losing ~5% per hour from what I've read.

    300 TSS is almost always a "baked" day. I would say especially on a CTL of less than 100, make up of the ride not withstanding.

    That being said, two races on Saturday, the bike rides to/from plus warm up/cool downs were 260 TSS for me and I raced twice the next day twice for another 250 TSS.

    I almost always know when a ride of that magnitude is going to happen and it's on the last day of the training week - rarely with a ride the following day. The risk of over-training is just too great.
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    thanks guys. i'll take that day or two off and re-do my MAP test, could be interesting!

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    I have a race @ 3 hrs with an IF of .91 and another with an IF of .94. However, looking at both of those, a week later I bumped my ftp up ~ 20 watts.
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    Will those w/ Ptaps and Kurt Kinetic trainers but who do not frequent the Road Cycling page please take a look at my question in the following post. Thanks.

    http://67.201.16.77/showthread.php?t=533106

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    Does anyone else feel like WKO+ turns training into a video game?

    You score points - TSS
    Experience goes up - CTL
    You "level up" - new PR for different power intervals and the e wang chart

    Its kind of awesome
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    keep d&d references out of the manly race forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hocam View Post
    Does anyone else feel like WKO+ turns training into a video game?

    You score points - TSS
    Experience goes up - CTL
    You "level up" - new PR for different power intervals and the e wang chart

    Its kind of awesome
    That's why I need a power meter.

    I get addicted to RPGs very easily, and a power meter turns training into an RPG.

    Therefore, I will get addicted to training (more so than now), and I will eventually beat the game.

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    Yeah I used to be addicted to one of those games too (not D&D), the only problem is you learn there's a limit to how many "points" or TSS you can accumulate. Not so with RPGs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hocam View Post
    Yeah I used to be addicted to one of those games too (not D&D), the only problem is you learn there's a limit to how many "points" or TSS you can accumulate. Not so with RPGs.
    Not D&D here either. I'm talking about video game ones.

    Diablo II was my first and greatest addiction.

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    is there any way to import a BUNCH of .wko files into wko? I have a directory full that I want to add to my profile, but it seems that I have to choose the athlete on each one. This is going to take forever
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    can you select multiple files at once?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apus^2 View Post
    can you select multiple files at once?
    you can, but you'd still have to select the athlete for each file.

    i think the only way to do it fast would be to automate the clicking process... search for "record/playback" software, it will record mouse clicks/keystrokes and then play them back, maybe in a loop like this.

    if you knew some C# one could probably whip up an app for this...

    but i really wish WKO had some kind of API so i could write cool apps like this, without using record/playback.
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    ^^ thanks for the suggestions


    Does anyone know if I can lace a 32 hole ptap to a 24 hole rim? I think I remember this being one of the possibilities. How would that look? Radial NDS and 2x DS?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kudude View Post
    ^^ thanks for the suggestions


    Does anyone know if I can lace a 32 hole ptap to a 24 hole rim? I think I remember this being one of the possibilities. How would that look? Radial NDS and 2x DS?
    You would have to do 2 spokes on the drive side for every 1 spoke on the non-drive side. A few people have done it here, apparently it works pretty well and evens spoke tension out nicely. The campy and fulcrum wheels use the same system.

    2x drive side and radial NDS would work, especially since the spoke length calc. for the radial spokes is independent of the fact that you're skipping holes.

    Not sure how you would calculate the spoke length for the 2x side though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flatballer View Post
    Not D&D here either. I'm talking about video game ones.

    Diablo II was my first and greatest addiction.
    Yeah I meant MMORPGs, those things are designed extremely well to suck you in and never let you go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kudude View Post
    is there any way to import a BUNCH of .wko files into wko?
    Quote Originally Posted by Apus^2 View Post
    can you select multiple files at once?
    Quote Originally Posted by mattm View Post
    you can, but you'd still have to select the athlete for each file.
    DRAG them to the WKO window and an import dialog will pop up with all of the files and you only have to select the athlete once

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