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    Quote Originally Posted by C Law View Post
    Yeah, in retrospect I did not warm up 'hard' enough. But since it was my first test, I really didn't know what L2 was.

    I was hoping it was a good starting point to structure some workouts from. I'll retest at the end of Jan. and see where I'm at.
    Since you're still supposed to be building base, I'd probably just start doing SST intervals and even if your FTP is wrong, working at about 90% will give you a benefit since you'll still be at the SST zone. Also, you'll be able to go a little harder if you can maintain it for 60-90 minutes.

    You'll still see tons of benefits, and you can see what data ranges you've been doing and looking at your IF to see if your FTP is terribly off.

    Do try the MAP test tomorrow though. It takes 15-20 mins of warmup 5-10 mins for the test and then a warmdown. Not bad, and it'll give you another view of whats going on.

    They're a lot easier mentally as well.
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    any links to the MAP test?

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Law View Post
    any links to the MAP test?
    Here's a program: http://www.cyclecoach.com/index.php?...=96&Itemid=117

    And here's the description of the test: http://www.cyclecoach.com/index.php?...=70&Itemid=112
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    So has anyone got any news to share?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post
    So has anyone got any news to share?
    I've been feeling my workouts were getting easier, so after my SST and hammerfest rides today were both higher power than expected, I bumped up my FTP to 280 in WKO. At 280, altogether that's about 2 hours at .9 IF with a TSS of about 170.

    Morning SST, 1:12 @ .87 IF:


    Lunchtime hammerfest, 0:54 @.93 IF:


    Also my SST this morning had my best 60 minute power (at 228 AP/243 NP) since I got the PM, finally giving me a decent showing in the e-wang chart. By my FTP tests I should be much higher but I don't much feel like an hour long TT this time of year...


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    well, i tried doing some 1 minute intervals yesterday after a 5 minute warmup (oops). I also hadn't ridden in 6 days, and was EXHAUSTED from the thanksgiving weekend/travel.

    worst. intervals. ever. also, my headunit died 30 minutes into the ride (forgot to charge it), so at least I don't have too much evidence of probably not cracking 400 for a full minute.
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    Question for Powertap owners: Does the Pro hub have the ability to swap from Campy to Shimano?

    Also, besides weight, is there any reason to get the SL over to the Pro?

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    nevermind - 512 W for 1 minute on the "good" one that shot me for the rest of the ride. still not great, but 6.64 W/kg -- weak and all, but it could be worse.


    furriousferret - i may have to copy your sig (the weight part anyway).
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    Thanks for the thread. Picked up an old used powertap about a month ago and after building it into a new wheels I finally started riding it. Love the idea of power, but I'm just f'n lost.

    I'm a nerd, but I just can't get myself to read everything I am supposed to and figure out what I should be doing. Those other forums are great, but the navigation is pretty confusing for me and I guess I'm not invested enough to figure out where to start reading.....

    ....it's a lot of data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kudude View Post
    furriousferret - i may have to copy your sig (the weight part anyway).
    Have at it...

    (I should update it, but I'm up a pound..ssshh)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psimet2001 View Post
    Thanks for the thread. Picked up an old used powertap about a month ago and after building it into a new wheels I finally started riding it. Love the idea of power, but I'm just f'n lost.

    I'm a nerd, but I just can't get myself to read everything I am supposed to and figure out what I should be doing. Those other forums are great, but the navigation is pretty confusing for me and I guess I'm not invested enough to figure out where to start reading.....

    ....it's a lot of data.
    ride with it for a couple of weeks without thinking about it. download the data and don't worry about it. the nerd in you will slowly take over
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psimet2001 View Post
    Thanks for the thread. Picked up an old used powertap about a month ago and after building it into a new wheels I finally started riding it. Love the idea of power, but I'm just f'n lost.

    I'm a nerd, but I just can't get myself to read everything I am supposed to and figure out what I should be doing. Those other forums are great, but the navigation is pretty confusing for me and I guess I'm not invested enough to figure out where to start reading.....

    ....it's a lot of data.
    Coggan and CO's book 'Training with Power'. It's on my to do list for winter.

    Honestly, just ride with the damn thing. Get used to seeing what numbers relate to what efforts for you. Learn to see where you blow up and where you can hold it while it's still difficult. It's the off season, work on the range where you can hold it but it's still hard. This is 'SST', from what I understand.

    After you've done this for a while and have some data, then try doing an FTP test such as a MAP test, 20 min tests, hour TT, etc.

    Don't try to analyze the data yet. If you really want an FTP 'guesstimate' check out the links for MAP testing and do that and take 72-75% of your last minute's average power.
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    Yeah, I'm just trying to ride with it. Doing some easy riding so the numbers look weird anyway.

    Was doing a trainer class tonight with our team and our "captain" is a Training Bible coach/Cat1 and he looked over in the middle of an interval and said, "what's your powertap say right now?"...in front of everyone (room full of 1/2/3's exclusively).

    I felt like he just asked, "how long is your penis?" I felt that way even though I don't understand what the numbers mean for me yet.

    What sucked worse is that we were just doing spinning work and I was slacking on the tension at that moment.

    I'm a wussy.

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    So, what did it say?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psimet2001 View Post
    Was doing a trainer class tonight with our team and our "captain" is a Training Bible coach/Cat1 and he looked over in the middle of an interval and said, "what's your powertap say right now?"...in front of everyone (room full of 1/2/3's exclusively).

    I felt like he just asked, "how long is your penis?" I felt that way even though I don't understand what the numbers mean for me yet.

    I'm a wussy.
    That's f'n hilarious.

    ridethecliche, I have the Coggan book but no powermeter you have the SRM but no book, let's say we trade for awhile. Thanks.

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    I read training with power in three days (I haven't read the racing chapter yet, though).

    Here is what has helped me the last few weeks:

    Read the book.
    Ride around with the p-tap, just to see how it reacts, what the wattages mean/feel like.
    Test yourself.
    Begin to use the p-tap to train.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post
    So, what did it say?
    - 8 1/2 errr.....um....just under 200. (190-ish). If Campy goes to 11 I must go to ....uh...5.

    I know my LTHR and I was still under it (seemed raised last night as well - lots of caffiene maybe?). We were doing 5 minute high cadence intervals.

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    By the way, all yall with p-taps. How many seconds do yall use for averaging Power, Speed, Cadence and Heart Rate (Slow/Regular/Fast)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apus^2 View Post
    By the way, all yall with p-taps. How many seconds do yall use for averaging Power, Speed, Cadence and Heart Rate (Slow/Regular/Fast)?
    I strictly use firsts...not seconds.



    (meaning...whatever it was set at when I got it....waiting to see the responses)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psimet2001 View Post
    Thanks for the thread. Picked up an old used powertap about a month ago and after building it into a new wheels I finally started riding it. Love the idea of power, but I'm just f'n lost.

    I'm a nerd, but I just can't get myself to read everything I am supposed to and figure out what I should be doing. Those other forums are great, but the navigation is pretty confusing for me and I guess I'm not invested enough to figure out where to start reading.....

    ....it's a lot of data.
    I am about 2 months in, in your same situation.


    For the first month I read the Allen/coggan book. and rode around with the powertap seeing what 150w, 200w, 250w, 300w, etc.. felt like. After another couple of weeks I did my 20 minute test to get my 105% FTP estimate.

    the book really lays it out pretty well. Enough so that even a MTBer like myself can understand.

    just started doing SST this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apus^2 View Post
    By the way, all yall with p-taps. How many seconds do yall use for averaging Power, Speed, Cadence and Heart Rate (Slow/Regular/Fast)?
    Power = 5s or it's WAY too jumpy, any longer than that and if you're trying to hold a steady power you're going to be over/undercompensating since the average reacts too slow.
    Speed = 1s, bicycles don't accelerate/decelerate very quickly
    Cadence = never look at it, whatever it was set at when I got it
    HR = Don't care...I don't wear a strap anymore

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    Quote Originally Posted by tanhalt View Post
    Power = 5s or it's WAY too jumpy, any longer than that and if you're trying to hold a steady power you're going to be over/undercompensating since the average reacts too slow.
    Speed = 1s, bicycles don't accelerate/decelerate very quickly
    Cadence = never look at it, whatever it was set at when I got it
    HR = Don't care...I don't wear a strap anymore
    4 power meters and no HR...

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    I only wear the hr strap if I'm on the trainer... it doesnt work much on the road..

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    +1 to 5s power averaging.

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    *scribbling notes* - finally something that makes sense that I can go and actually do.

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