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Old 12-02-08, 12:46 AM   #1
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power weight ratio

whats a good max power for someone weighing 155 lbs?
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Old 12-02-08, 12:51 AM   #2
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Consult the e-wang chart courtesy of Coggan et al.

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Old 12-02-08, 12:59 AM   #3
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thanks cliche, i think were the only ones up. since ur the only one to answer both my post
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Just curious, what do you mean by "max power?"

For common durations Coggan's chart above is a reasonable yard stick, especially when comparing to your own history.
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well i did a vq training session and i did a 30 sec all out effort and got just under 1000 watts.
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What's a vq?
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What is the best way to determine FT? I think that I am off the bottom of the chart!
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http://www.osbmultisport.com/articles/7deadly.html
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Poifick! Cheers WR

I'm at the top of the 'untrained' category on that w/kg list
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well i did a vq training session and i did a 30 sec all out effort and got just under 1000 watts.
not sure what you're trying to say here.

was the "just under 1000W" a peak power or was it your avg. power for the 30"? if it was your avg. for the 30" then you're either a world class professional or have a calibration issue with your watt-o-meter.
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vq is robbie ventura's coaching thing. theres one here in orlando, chicago and one being built somewhere out west. the "just under a 1000 watts was peak power.
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This last season my best 5sec power was 926. I weigh in the low 140s and I think I am a poor sprinter. But other than going for sprints in group rides I don't do any training for short term power. If I worked on it more I could improve it.

Unless your sprint is uphill, power/weight is less important than just plain power.
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vq is robbie ventura's coaching thing. theres one here in orlando, chicago and one being built somewhere out west. the "just under a 1000 watts was peak power.
You really don't have enough information for any sort of assessment.
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what data do i need then?
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Well, if you want to see a profile that would fit into a chart like the one above, then you'd want to get a series of mean-maximal power tests done. The common ones for the profile above would be 5s, 1m, 5m, and FTP. There are several ways of estimating FTP w/in 10W without actually doing an hour long TT. These tests would have to be done when you're well rested and healthy, and they need to be truly maximal efforts -- no way you could have possibly gone harder.
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I had a performance assessment done earlier this year. It was a 48th b-day present and I figured it would give me a good baseline after a year of cycling (after about 17 years off the bike). They used the terms VT1 and VT2, with VT1 being the lactate threshold (64% of VO2 max) and VT2 being the "'onset of blood lactate accumulation" (86% of V02 max) - which by their description seems equivalent to FT. The VT2 (OBLA) is defined as the point where the increase in blood lactate can no longer achieve a prolonged steady state.

So does this sound like VT2 is FT? Based on heart rate it is right in my TT and hill climb zone, but I am nomenclature confused!
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Is that ventilatory threshold? I don't know much about the implications in that area. If the HR lines up though, then it's probably about right. Power is a good way to view it though, as you can train to produce much more power at a given HR, but just using an HRM won't allow you to measure the gains.
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Good question - and I think the answer is yes, defining two threshold states. What I had for numbers is:

V02 Max: 68.5
Vt2 (which I think is FT): 290 watts, 4.3 w/kg
VT1: 220 watts, 3.2 w/kg (this was at an HR of 161 which is about top of zone 3 for me)

thanks for the assist in understanding these. The watts per kg seem better than I'd have thought but the effort/HR puts it where I would expect.
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Taylor Phinney has a max power of 1800 watts and he's 180 lbs. The 5s sprint isn't far from that. I'd say: multiply your peak by 96% to get your 5s power or divide your 5s power by 96% to get max power.
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FWIW, my best 5s power last season is 94% of my peak power.
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96% definitely sounds high for most (non track) riders..
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My best 5s is also 94% of my peak
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I just calculated out that my 5s is about 93% of my peak
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my 5s max is 94.83163665% of my peak, approximately.
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Heh, mine was a little over 94% too. Interesting.
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