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Old 12-10-08, 08:24 AM   #1
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An hour at FTP...

...what is it supposed to feel like:
- after 55 minutes?
- at the very end?

Just curious!
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what's ftp, again?
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It should not be comfortable at all. But, at what level are you going for 87%, 93%, 100%?

At 100%, you'll probably want to quit and question why you are even doing this.
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You should feel like death.... this is one of the hardest workouts you can do on the bike..... He said an hour at FTP so that would be 100%
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By definition it should feel like you just did a 1 hour all out TT. So I guess you should be ready to die at 55' and fall off your bike tired at 60'.
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when i popped my 1 hr at ftp cherry, i was unable to walk for the better part of an hour, and could hardly muster the strength to drive
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What should it feel like?

a MTB race.
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What should it feel like?

a MTB race.
Yeah, that's about right for pain level. The variability is a lot different though.
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I've cried after TTs. And NOT because of my placing. (although I suppose that might be appropriate)
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What should it feel like?

a MTB race.
You get way too many mini-breaks in a MTB race for it to be FTP-pain.
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You get way too many mini-breaks in a MTB race for it to be FTP-pain.

Absolutely. A one-hour TT all-out, has very little to do with a hard one-hour Mt Bike race.
The graphs would be extremely dfferent.
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That sounds painful and unnecessary.

I hurt just thinking about it!
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By definition it should feel like you just did a 1 hour all out TT. So I guess you should be ready to die at 55' and fall off your bike tired at 60'.
i would say this is about right. for me i start hating life at about minute 30-40 and question why i'm even doing this.
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An hour at FTP should make you see stars. It will make you question why you would ever consider it. In fact, why would you ever consider it? (I can see it in a race, but training? Ye gods)
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An hour at FTP should make you see stars. It will make you question why you would ever consider it. In fact, why would you ever consider it? (I can see it in a race, but training? Ye gods)
When I saw you posted here, I expected to see you say that you did these every week.

I'm a little relieved now. Heh.
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kind of puts the Grand Prix des Nations in perspective eh?
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An hour at FTP should make you see stars. It will make you question why you would ever consider it. In fact, why would you ever consider it? (I can see it in a race, but training? Ye gods)

Exactly. Doing 10-20 minute steady state intervals gets the same training effect, with a lot less cost.

I could see perhaps doing a 60 minute effort if you're training for a 40 k TT, and want to essentially do a practice run.

But a regular diet of 1 hour FTP efforts I think would be counterproductive
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Absolutely. A one-hour TT all-out, has very little to do with a hard one-hour Mt Bike race.
The graphs would be extremely dfferent.
I'm not much of a time-trialist, but the 60m MTB races I've done certainly felt like TT pain to me. Much more variable of course, but the pain index is about right. I totally agree the graphs wouldn't look alike though. The pain graph might though.

Of course, if you look at the rare times that pros test 60m power, you get people like Eddy saying "it was the hardest ride I've ever done." And I guess we never hear MTB racers say that. Coming from Eddy, there's no way I'm doing any 60m tests. I can only hope I can TT 40k faster than an hour so I won't have to.
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Absolutely. A one-hour TT all-out, has very little to do with a hard one-hour Mt Bike race.
The graphs would be extremely dfferent.
just a little mid December joke fellas.

While the graphs are extremely different, theres no denying the avg HR of 177 that I see after races. Its not a flat TT graph, but still..........

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Awesome, thanks for the affirmation.

I did an hour at what I thought was my FTP last night and finished feeling good enough to walk upstairs to the kitchen, call my wife, play with my dog and make dinner.

Then I thought "This can't be right..."

so, I guess my FTP has gone up!
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Exactly. Doing 10-20 minute steady state intervals gets the same training effect, with a lot less cost.

I could see perhaps doing a 60 minute effort if you're training for a 40 k TT, and want to essentially do a practice run.

But a regular diet of 1 hour FTP efforts I think would be counterproductive

I disagree with both “counterproductive” and “same training effect.”

60min at FTP will always be greater than 20min at FTP, sometimes more really is more. 20min intervals are done not because they are equivalent to 1 hour efforts but because they strike a nice balance between cost and reward.

As for them being excessively draining, I agree that doing an hour at FTP will make you tired / sore but it’s still only a 100TSS and you should be able to recover fairly quickly.

I’ve done a long TT in the morning, a crit in the afternoon and a road race the next day without suffering too badly…
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Awesome, thanks for the affirmation.

I did an hour at what I thought was my FTP last night and finished feeling good enough to walk upstairs to the kitchen, call my wife, play with my dog and make dinner.

Then I thought "This can't be right..."

so, I guess my FTP has gone up!
I thought you have raced a bunch, you should be more in tune with what FTP feels like by now. Don't draw your own line in the sand.
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I don't trust my perceived exertion when I'm indoors on a trainer - there are so many additional mental stresses that my indoor PE is always inflated.
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Awesome, thanks for the affirmation.

I did an hour at what I thought was my FTP last night and finished feeling good enough to walk upstairs to the kitchen, call my wife, play with my dog and make dinner.

Then I thought "This can't be right..."

so, I guess my FTP has gone up!
Hmmmm, last time that happened to me, I hadn't zero'd my Powertap and was getting a few free watts
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I re-calibrated halfway through the ride and the offset hadn't changed from the beginning. I checked it again after the hour and again, the offset hadn't moved.

The offset did go up a couple units from when I first got on the bike to the end of my warmup, though.
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