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Old 01-29-09, 12:32 PM
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Race wheel dilemma (deep aero or climber)

A little bit about me. I'm 5'8" 172 pounds and about 10% body fat. I'm a good time trialist and really good at sprinting but I have been know to get shelled on some longer hills or really short and steep ones. I want to invest in a tubular wheelset and was wondering which direction to go .... a bit heavier aero rim or a lightweight climber rim. Does the aero rim make that much of a difference for breakawys? I am not afraid to fly off the front and attempt this quite often depending on the course layout. I guess what's eating me is that I see guys off the front the entire race on some stages of the tour and their wheelset is nothing close to deepdish aero's? Help me out folks!
 
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How much weight do you stand to save if you go with lighter rims over aero? 100-200g? Take that and compare it to your total weight (rider + clothes + bike + water) and you'll find less than a 1% difference. Your climbing will not improve a noticeable amount from that, but it will if you spend more time climbing.

I'm currently leaning towards putting 30mm rims on my next build instead of 19 even though the wheels will then be too strong for me. I figure for the 130g I'll save, 30mm might help me better. Lucky for me, I have a while to pine it over until I can afford them.
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On all but the hilliest courses, aero trumps weight. Look at the wheels Tyler Hamilton used to win the US Pro Championship.
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5ft 8, 172, and 10% BF? If true thats bad ass!

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Old 01-29-09, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by wfrogge
5ft 8, 172, and 10% BF? If true thats bad ass!
What's wrong with that? I was there not too long ago!

Aero. Every time. Except on Hill climb TTs. And even on some of those.
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Originally Posted by DrWJODonnell
What's wrong with that? I was there not too long ago!

Aero. Every time. Except on Hill climb TTs. And even on some of those.
Thats just a stout weight/BF % for being that short.


Oh and go aero... You guys down in LA have no hills worth worrying about
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
aero trumps weight.
yup
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Originally Posted by wfrogge
5ft 8, 172, and 10% BF? If true thats bad ass!
Regardless of the composition of those 172lbs, he has about 20 to lose.
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from what I understand, the answer is nearly always aero. but dont expect 'em to keep you from getting popped on hills/short climbs.
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Originally Posted by Duke of Kent
Regardless of the composition of those 172lbs, he has about 20 to lose.
To be a competitive cyclist.. yep but for just being ripped he would be solid muscle.
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Aero bc you can still get aero tubulars less then 1300g and thats pretty light
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Aero... like Merlin said, alot of pros use aero rims on mountain stages too. If you look at video from recent pro events you'll see 404 depth rims are common and some even run 808 depth on the rear. I use a 303 404 combo, which is really light (like 1100 - 1200 grams or so). I think that's plenty light for anything.
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For your size, I'd go with 808s or 404s at least.

I run 303s on the road. I Run 1080/808 combo on TT. I aspire to be 156 in season.
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Originally Posted by wfrogge
Thats just a stout weight/BF % for being that short.


Oh and go aero... You guys down in LA have no hills worth worrying about
foolish statement
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Originally Posted by Crash716
foolish statement
Louisiana, not Los Angeles
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Originally Posted by Crash716
foolish statement
The highest point in Louisiana is Driskill "mountain": 535 feet.
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Originally Posted by Crash716
foolish statement
God I love people from CA.

Precious. Absolutely precious.
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Originally Posted by Duke of Kent
God I love people from CA.

Precious. Absolutely precious.
and....
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Originally Posted by Crash716
foolish statement
Originally Posted by Crash716
and....
The OP is from Lafayette, LA.

LA, being, you know, Louisiana.

The self absorption is mind boggling.
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Originally Posted by Duke of Kent
The OP is from Lafayette, LA.

LA, being, you know, Louisiana.

The self absorption is mind boggling.
because i made the mistake of not seeing that the OP is from Lafayette means i am self absorbed...i fail to see the connection...

but while you're at it are there any other faults that i apparently have that you would like to point out cool guy?
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Originally Posted by Crash716
because i made the mistake of not seeing that the OP is from Lafayette means i am self absorbed...i fail to see the connection...

but while you're at it are there any other faults that i apparently have that you would like to point out cool guy?
Sentence structure and capitalization protocol?







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Originally Posted by wfrogge
Oh and go aero... You guys down in LA have no hills worth worrying about
3 mile climb at 8-10% to my apartment...and I don't live at the top. Torrance Beach in the foreground.


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for ****'s sake... LA without periods is the abbreviation for the state of Louisiana. L.A. is Los Angeles. Do you narcissistic clowns get it now?!
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Originally Posted by bdcheung
for ****'s sake... LA without periods is the abbreviation for the state of Louisiana. L.A. is Los Angeles. Do you narcissistic clowns get it now?!
You should probably search to see how people actually on BF before you respond in such an ass hat manner. Cold weather must make people mean. I think I'll stay here.
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Originally Posted by Dubbayoo
You should probably search to see how people actually on BF


Aero. I've raced in LA. Both of them.
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