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Old 01-31-09, 06:28 PM   #1
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First Road Race have a question

I did my first road race today, 33 miles got dropped pretty hard but finished. I definitely haven't suffered that hard in my life and am totally going back for more.

My question is that after the race I felt pretty sick to my stomach, like it was flipping over. I felt on and off like that through the rest of the day and had some general aches and cramps in my lower chest. This has happened once before on a group ride that was a race pace ride. I age just a hammer bar before the race for breakfast since we woke up and started the race within about two hours, had a coffee and during the race had two bottles of heed.

Does this happen to any of you guys is it a result of the extreme pressure you're putting your legs and all the muscles in your lower body through? Just curious.
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Coffee and Heed?

That would make me sick to my stomach. Have you had that combination before?
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Since you used. Hammer products.. I'd join their Yahoo group and ask there..

But since I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night... what was the temp and humidity during the race sounds like...Not enough before the race.. need to eat 3 hours prior... TOO much during the race.. and should of had a recovery drink after the race....
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yep.

super hard efforts to all kinds of weird stuff to the ol gastro intestinal bits.
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Definitely happens - hard efforts mess with your gut. I've never gotten it bad enough to get sick, but I've gotten post race heaves. After my first mass-start race, a crit, my stomach hurt for hours. For that matter, so did the rest of my body. Repeated hard efforts above threshold (and at threshold, for that matter) definitely get me tasting my breakfast. Crits more than road races, usually, but I thought thought that I would either pass out or puke my guts out after the Boston Beanpot RR last year. I've never been so utterly spent in my life.
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My first road race made me sick to my stomach. I would say to stick with what got you there... don't switch up your diet. If you usually drink coffee and are fine, then you can stick with it. I might want to eat a little bit more than that though. Also, (don't answer this) but did you go to the bathroom before hand. As you can tell from the port-a-potties at races. Many riders relieve themselves of,,, a few extra grams, before a race. Hopefully, it was just a fluke thing. But try different drinks and recovery drinks to see what works best, but doing during training, not on race day. And eat after the race too, that helps with the stomach and the recovery drinks.
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My first road race made me sick to my stomach. I would say to stick with what got you there... don't switch up your diet. If you usually drink coffee and are fine, then you can stick with it. I might want to eat a little bit more than that though. Also, (don't answer this) but did you go to the bathroom before hand. As you can tell from the port-a-potties at races. Many riders relieve themselves of,,, a few extra grams, before a race. Hopefully, it was just a fluke thing. But try different drinks and recovery drinks to see what works best, but doing during training, not on race day. And eat after the race too, that helps with the stomach and the recovery drinks.
No sense in mincing words - I find that taking a giant dump right before a race does a lot to settle my stomach and relax my nerves. Having your guts churning mid-race while you're still carry a heavy load can have very unpleasant results.
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Congratulations!

Being sick to your stomach after a hard effort isn't uncommon. When you go really hard your body diverts blood from food processing to more immediate things. That can cause some upset. I've wanted to puke at the end of hard hillclimb races or running races, but so far I have always managed to hold it down.

The lower chest problems might be from breathing hard. Did you get "pursuiters cough" too? It's sort of a hacking cough like you're trying to bring up some lung butter.
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The coffee was 2 hours before the heed.

I had a Recoverite within 10 minutes of the ride ending.

I try to avoid eating too much before rides unless it's a full 3 hours just based on the fact that your body has enough store glycogen to support itself for at least the first hour depending on the effort being exerted. By the time I run out of my stored glycogen I'm already into the heed, gel, or whatever and replenishing it. Your body can only store so much and cramming down a huge meal before a race isn't going to change that. Now if it makes you feel more settled then I can understand that.

Maybe I did need to take a **** before the race because I exploded one of those porta potties afterwards... my team actually looked frightened.
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looks like nick needs to ride more, wish i could ride so i could race , what did you have before race to eat, sounds like you didn't eat enough and did you gel during race?
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looks like nick needs to ride more, wish i could ride so i could race , what did you have before race to eat, sounds like you didn't eat enough and did you gel during race?
Before the ride I had about 210 calories mostly carbohydrate based.

I've basically taken Hammer Nutrition's advice and it has worked well for winter but now that racing is starting I really get to tweak it. I am really into nutrition and the science behind it, enough so that I might go back to school for it. So I'm going to start tweaking what I eat before rides until I find the right mix. No I didn't gel during the ride, I took in about a 150 calories from Heed over the 1:40 race.

I do need to train more, I've only been training since September so I'm fresh at this, I've only been riding bikes since January 08' and had to take the whole summer off. I love this **** so much.
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during this race you used about 800 plus calories and only took in 150 so something has to give , try alittle more before and more during , your body was digging into your reserves which made you sick
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during this race you used about 800 plus calories and only took in 150 so something has to give , try alittle more before and more during , your body was digging into your reserves which made you sick
Have you read into the arguments against replacing what you spend during exercise, you can't do it, your body won't take it and it ends up working against you. Your body works in fight or flight mode and is not processing and absorbing foods to the level where it can process back in 800 calories. Furthermore your body stores more than 800 calories worth of glycogen so in the end i maybe burned a 1000 calories during this race and put in 300 calories from heed so I burned all my stores and my body had the calories it needed from the heed when it hit empty.

You might be right, but it's contradictory towards what I've read.
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Have you read into the arguments against replacing what you spend during exercise, you can't do it, your body won't take it and it ends up working against you. Your body works in fight or flight mode and is not processing and absorbing foods to the level where it can process back in 800 calories. Furthermore your body stores more than 800 calories worth of glycogen so in the end i maybe burned a 1000 calories during this race and put in 300 calories from heed so I burned all my stores and my body had the calories it needed from the heed when it hit empty.

You might be right, but it's contradictory towards what I've read.
Even in a crit, my body isn't in "fight or flight" mode until the last 5-10 laps.

If you're like that for 33mi, you need to calm the **** down.
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^^ general rule of thumb, eat 250-300 calories an hour while you're riding for a long event.

33 mile race it's not much of an issue. Longer events, I'd definitely try to eat something closer than 3 hours before the event.

I get the not eating a big meal close to the race. So the ideal would be a meal with fat, carbs, and protein 3 hours before. A small serving of carbs (or gels, or drinks) 30 minutes or so before, and then eating regularly on the bike to get that 300 calories an hour going from the get go.

However, all of this only matters for long events, like 4-5 hour plus races.
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Even in a crit, my body isn't in "fight or flight" mode until the last 5-10 laps.

If you're like that for 33mi, you need to calm the **** down.
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Congrats on finishing. Nick, for what it's worth my race I only did 890 kJ. Not even a "hard" training ride but I burned everything leading out my teammates so I only rolled in at the tail end of the lead group (20 of 100). Pictures soon
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caffeine before hard efforts destroys my stomach. ymmv
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Congrats on finishing. Nick, for what it's worth my race I only did 890 kJ. Not even a "hard" training ride but I burned everything leading out my teammates so I only rolled in at the tail end of the lead group (20 of 100). Pictures soon
Thanks man, I ended strong but I just don't have the endurance to stay with the pack on the hills. It's my first year so what can I say I'm just naturally not that strong BUTTT that doesn't mean I can't work my ass off to get that strong. At this point I'm just trying to figure out how to approach training best. It's funny my legs aren't even sore but my lungs are killing me.
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Thanks man, I ended strong but I just don't have the endurance to stay with the pack on the hills. It's my first year so what can I say I'm just naturally not that strong BUTTT that doesn't mean I can't work my ass off to get that strong. At this point I'm just trying to figure out how to approach training best. It's funny my legs aren't even sore but my lungs are killing me.
Unless the "hill" is 2hrs long, endurance is not your problem. Watts per kilo, young man.

If your lungs are hurting, but your legs are fine, drop that chain down a cog, lower the cadence, and get after it.
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"Hil" took me 2:45. Was 250' gain in 1km. 383W, ~6 W/kg

It was after a long false flat though. Overall there was about 1800' of gain in the 34 mile course. The 4s and 5s did 1 lap. The 3s and 1/2 did 2 laps. I wish we could have done 2 instead of 1.
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Steve thanks for the image, that looks great, sharp, nice composition, and good exposure! I really thank you for that image, I'll definitely never forget today haha.
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Have you read into the arguments against replacing what you spend during exercise, you can't do it, your body won't take it and it ends up working against you. Your body works in fight or flight mode and is not processing and absorbing foods to the level where it can process back in 800 calories. Furthermore your body stores more than 800 calories worth of glycogen so in the end i maybe burned a 1000 calories during this race and put in 300 calories from heed so I burned all my stores and my body had the calories it needed from the heed when it hit empty.

You might be right, but it's contradictory towards what I've read.
You've got to eat during a RR. Yeah, you can't handle many calories, so it's critical to find out what you can handle. Some people can only handle gels, some are okay with just energy bars, etc. The trick is to eat whenever the pace gets slack. That way, you've digested it when you need to burn it for a big effort. If the whole things hard, find the less-hard point and gulp down a gel. It's true that large amounts of food right before a race is a Bad Idea, but believe me, in-race nutrition is very important, and beneficial rather than harmful.
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