Advertise on Bikeforums.net



User Tag List

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 32
  1. #1
    Senior Member ldesfor1@ithaca's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Newton Ctr. MA
    My Bikes
    2 cdale Caad7. Scatantte CX/winter bike. SS commuter.
    Posts
    2,109
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Beta Alanine, discuss

    I started a 10 week cycle 3 weeks ago. 4-5g / day in 2 doses.

    I did a 7 week cycle last season in the lead-up to a july stage race.

    Dont know if it helped, but saw huge jumps in FT over that time period. So I'm trying it again.

    Anyone else?


    (DrO'... wanna expose your Super Secret Training now?? please??)



    -L
    Teammates-on-Podium O'meter: 0/n (n=total # of teammates I get to race with)
    Successful Breakaway O'meter: 0/total number of races entered

    Team/Training blogness:www.thresholdcycling.com

  2. #2
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Looking for my right leg muscles.
    My Bikes
    2000 Cannondale CAAD3 Triple 105/Ultegra
    Posts
    1,201
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    eh???? From their website...part propaganda, of course.

    http://www.betaalanine.info/

    Benefits of Beta-Alanine as supported by scientific studies:

    • Increase Muscular Strength & Power Output.
    • Increases Muscle Mass
    • Increase Anaerobic Endurance
    • Increases Aerobic Endurance
    • Delay Muscular Fatigue- Train Harder & Longer

    It does have a bunch of scientific studies backing it up, but I'm wary of any supplement.
    Last edited by Apus^2; 02-04-09 at 01:38 PM.
    EOL Ra Ra F
    Specialized S-Works SL2
    10 lbs and 6% to go!

  3. #3
    Slow'n'Aero DrWJODonnell's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Driving the pace in the crosswind
    Posts
    2,599
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I have researched it and the science looks plausible. It is on my list, but I have not used it though coach has recommended it.

    Nope, not the secret training you are looking for. But it is an unused weapon that I am considering.

    Will

  4. #4
    ride lots be safe Creakyknees's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    5,133
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    hmmm...

    "The beta-alanine subjects were able to increase their power output by 12.6% at neuromuscular fatigue threshold (no improvement with placebo); "

    http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/quer...formance-39323

    "Should athletes supplement with beta-alanine? It’s probably too early to give a definitive answer to this question. Only a small number of studies have yet been conducted and while the evidence is certainly persuasive (especially in combination with creatine), more research is needed before firm conclusions can be drawn."

    "Athletes who aren’t averse to some experimentation, however, will be pleased to know that beta-alanine is already available as a supplement and is fairly inexpensive; for example, you can expect to pay in the region of $8-$10 for 100 grams in the US and around Ł5-Ł7 in the UK. Given the amounts used in studies (typically around a gram per day), you can experiment without breaking the bank."
    "have fun and be kind"
    - an internet post

  5. #5
    carbon is too light procrit's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Texas
    My Bikes
    Cannondale Road / Orbea TT
    Posts
    950
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Beta-alanine, well, it's cheap, but I never saw anything besides getting tingly hands.

    Kre-alkalyn creatine on the other hand is AWESOME for increasing anaerobic power. I'm talking like 10% gain on your 5s power. It adds 3-4lbs of water weight to me, which isn't much, but for you weight weenies it may not be worth it.
    Last edited by procrit; 02-04-09 at 02:07 PM.

  6. #6
    pan y agua merlinextraligh's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Jacksonville
    My Bikes
    Wilier Zero 7; Merlin Extralight; Co-Motion Robusta; Schwinn Paramount; Motobecane Phantom Cross; Cervelo P2; Motebecane Ti Fly 29er
    Posts
    27,415
    Mentioned
    10 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    The whole supplement industry is incredibly poorly regulated, with little effective limitation on what they claim, or the quality control, and purity of their products.

    You might recall the people dying from contaminaed L Tryptophan a few years back.

    It blows my mind that people who would not take a prescription drug that is highly regulated, and must show efficacy and safety in an elaborate process, will take unregulated supplements.

    Personally, I'll skip the supplments.
    You could fall off a cliff and die.
    You could get lost and die.
    You could hit a tree and die.
    OR YOU COULD STAY HOME AND FALL OFF THE COUCH AND DIE.

  7. #7
    Senior Member Coyote2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Posts
    2,393
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
    The whole supplement industry is incredibly poorly regulated, with little effective limitation on what they claim, or the quality control, and purity of their products.

    You might recall the people dying from contaminaed L Tryptophan a few years back.

    It blows my mind that people who would not take a prescription drug that is highly regulated, and must show efficacy and safety in an elaborate process, will take unregulated supplements.

    Personally, I'll skip the supplments.
    For the most part, I agree. Most people would be better advised to simply eat better diets - fresher food, organics, stuff that hasn't travelled thousands of miles and been heavily processed. If it comes in a brightly labelled package that has a bar code, you can do better.

  8. #8
    Senior Member Brian Ratliff's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    Near Portland, OR
    My Bikes
    Three road bikes. Two track bikes.
    Posts
    9,760
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    No supplements for me. If God wanted us to take supplements, then pills would grow on trees. Seriously though, as an amateur racer, the fun of the hobby is in the process of training you body as much as in the end result. Supplements kind of short circuit all that and muddle it all up.

    If it's the supplement making you stronger, then it's not really anything special. Anyone can go up to the store, lay down some money and buy a bottle of pills. Training is about putting in the hours of suffering to see yourself improve. That really is one-of-a-kind and special.

    Anyway, that's just my personal philosophy. No need to adopt it.
    Cat 2 Track, Cat 3 Road.
    "If you’re new enough [to racing] that you would ask such question, then i would hazard a guess that if you just made up a workout that sounded hard to do, and did it, you’d probably get faster." --the tiniest sprinter

  9. #9
    Killing Rabbits
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    4,740
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
    Personally, I'll skip the supplments.
    You may think you do, but I highly doubt you do in reality. Even the "all real food" goofs take way more supplements than they think; they just prefer them ground into food products. Just because the supplement is regulated or added to food doesn't make it any different than a pill.

    Off the top of my head:
    Dairy: A&D
    Wheat Flour: Niacin, Iron, folic acid, thiamine, riboflavin
    Salt: Iodine
    Cereal: Everything.

    What about sport drinks, protein powders, recovery potions?

    Even when you exclude supplements hidden in food I still find that "food only" preachers lie; they take things like glucosamine, multivitamins, additional Calcium, fish oil, meal replacements, etc.

  10. #10
    Slow'n'Aero DrWJODonnell's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Driving the pace in the crosswind
    Posts
    2,599
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Ratliff View Post
    Anyone can go up to the store, lay down some money and buy a more aerodynamic/lighter weight bike/equipment/wheels. Training is about putting in the hours of suffering to see yourself improve. That really is one-of-a-kind and special.
    Does the modified quote hold true? Sorry, but my philosophy is that if I can do anything to increase performance that is 1)legal, and 2) not obviously detrimental to my/others health/wellbeing, then I will do it. I will research knowledge, use a coach, eat correctly, sleep well, train intelligently, buy a power meter, own a nice bike with race wheels, consume vitamins, drink appropriate amounts of water, and avoid those things generally detrimental to my training.

    Sorry, but training is not just riding a bike, and I would guess that you have made more decisions/purchases/lifestyle changes than just riding your bike.

    Of course you could be an overweight, drinking, smoking, steel framed huffy fixed gear rider who parties before racing and whose soul training philosophy is "ride lots." Chances are that you capitalize on what you can though.

  11. #11
    carbon is too light procrit's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Texas
    My Bikes
    Cannondale Road / Orbea TT
    Posts
    950
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Training in my opinion is not 'natural'. To sit and suffer for hours on end to induce a chemical response that alters body composition, physical abilities, and performance is to me quite 'un-natural'.

    And when I scoop out my whey protein, take my creatine powder, opt for a chicken sandwich instead of a burger, or choose to pass on dessert, it's not because I'm looking for a shortcut. I'm looking to enhance the training response, the physically induced chemical chain reaction I started with my 2 hour SST ride or pyramid intervals.

    I agree that 90% of the supplements out there are either junk or potentially harmful, but to lump everything in as being 'synthetic' or 'dangerous' or 'un-natural' and avoiding them all is like saying all democrats are bad. Sure most are, but there are a few good ones.

  12. #12
    faster than your mom bodaciousguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    CA, USA
    My Bikes
    R600, Specialized Tarmac Pro, Prophet w/ X0 components.
    Posts
    180
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I used it once last year while trying to improve FT. I believe it works but like any drug you need to take a break from it once in a while. I say try it first from a friend because the tingling sensation is pretty uncomfortable.
    "It teaches you not to be such a softie" - Heinrich Haussler on riding bikes in the winter

  13. #13
    Senior Member Brian Ratliff's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    Near Portland, OR
    My Bikes
    Three road bikes. Two track bikes.
    Posts
    9,760
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by DrWJODonnell View Post
    Does the modified quote hold true? Sorry, but my philosophy is that if I can do anything to increase performance that is 1)legal, and 2) not obviously detrimental to my/others health/wellbeing, then I will do it. I will research knowledge, use a coach, eat correctly, sleep well, train intelligently, buy a power meter, own a nice bike with race wheels, consume vitamins, drink appropriate amounts of water, and avoid those things generally detrimental to my training.

    Sorry, but training is not just riding a bike, and I would guess that you have made more decisions/purchases/lifestyle changes than just riding your bike.

    Of course you could be an overweight, drinking, smoking, steel framed huffy fixed gear rider who parties before racing and whose soul training philosophy is "ride lots." Chances are that you capitalize on what you can though.
    Sort of. I believe that training is the biggest variable in bike racing and, yes, I've made lots of lifestyle changes to race bikes. I tend not to put too much emphasis on equipment. If it takes me a couple extra watts to get up a hill, it's just an incentive to train harder, and believe me when I say that I don't have the best of equipment; nice stuff mind you (I'm not riding a huffy or 20 year old steel 10 speed), but not the best.

    You've got to draw a line somewhere. I draw it on the consumption of concentrated supplements. At the amateur racing level, almost everything goes, right? Drawing the line at what's "race legal" is a shell game because none of these rules are enforced. I could shoot up with EPO tomorrow and none would be the wiser. There's a decent chance that I've raced against people shot up with EPO and there's a decent chance that I've been beaten by them. You've got to set your own lines and your own rules and not go with what the regulations say are the lines and rules because in the end, what the regulations say are essentially arbitrary and they change from place to place or competition level to competition level.
    Cat 2 Track, Cat 3 Road.
    "If you’re new enough [to racing] that you would ask such question, then i would hazard a guess that if you just made up a workout that sounded hard to do, and did it, you’d probably get faster." --the tiniest sprinter

  14. #14
    Senior Member ldesfor1@ithaca's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Newton Ctr. MA
    My Bikes
    2 cdale Caad7. Scatantte CX/winter bike. SS commuter.
    Posts
    2,109
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Thanks Dr.O!

    We'll get that secret soon, I hope!!



    I'm with you, though on the issue of supplements.
    Teammates-on-Podium O'meter: 0/n (n=total # of teammates I get to race with)
    Successful Breakaway O'meter: 0/total number of races entered

    Team/Training blogness:www.thresholdcycling.com

  15. #15
    Senior Member J.W.'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    West..
    Posts
    460
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    It works. Plain and simple. Just like creatine, nitric oxide ect...
    .

  16. #16
    Senior Member?
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Denver
    My Bikes
    orbea onix, Cervelo SLC, Specialzed Allez, Cervelo P3 Alu
    Posts
    1,975
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Idesfor1, you aren't dead yet. Which brand are you using?

  17. #17
    Senior Member ldesfor1@ithaca's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Newton Ctr. MA
    My Bikes
    2 cdale Caad7. Scatantte CX/winter bike. SS commuter.
    Posts
    2,109
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    http://www.a1supplements.com/Beta-Al...s-p-17592.html

    NOW nutrition.

    I also use their maltodextrin powder. good stuff thus far.

    -L
    Teammates-on-Podium O'meter: 0/n (n=total # of teammates I get to race with)
    Successful Breakaway O'meter: 0/total number of races entered

    Team/Training blogness:www.thresholdcycling.com

  18. #18
    Senior Member Ralleh's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    390
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I'll try anything that makes parts of me start to have a tingling sensation for no apparent reason.

  19. #19
    Making a kilometer blurry waterrockets's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Austin (near TX)
    My Bikes
    rkwaki's porn collection
    Posts
    26,112
    Mentioned
    20 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Until someone shows me that a supplement is better than Oreos, no.

  20. #20
    slow up hills kudude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Seattle, WA
    My Bikes
    Giant TCR, Redline CX, Ritchey Breakaway, Spec S-works epic
    Posts
    4,931
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    ^^ i had a doughnut in between lunch and second lunch. I think it was better than oreos, but that's a little subjective. It *tasted* better than oreos, how's that?
    Quote Originally Posted by mr_tom View Post
    Cycling isn't a sport. It's more like a really, really expensive eating disorder.

  21. #21
    Killing Rabbits
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    4,740
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by kudude View Post
    ^^ i had a doughnut in between lunch and second lunch. I think it was better than oreos, but that's a little subjective. It *tasted* better than oreos, how's that?
    Life is easiest when you judge a behavior by whether or not you do it.

    Since you are such an awesome dude, and you ate a doughnut, doughnuts are awesome and everyone should eat them. Just don’t ever question your awesomeness, or compare your actions to those who might be more awesome, or your universe will implode.

  22. #22
    Senior Member Brian Ratliff's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    Near Portland, OR
    My Bikes
    Three road bikes. Two track bikes.
    Posts
    9,760
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by bodaciousguy View Post
    I used it once last year while trying to improve FT. I believe it works but like any drug you need to take a break from it once in a while. I say try it first from a friend because the tingling sensation is pretty uncomfortable.


    See, I won't take anything that makes me do this:
    Cat 2 Track, Cat 3 Road.
    "If you’re new enough [to racing] that you would ask such question, then i would hazard a guess that if you just made up a workout that sounded hard to do, and did it, you’d probably get faster." --the tiniest sprinter

  23. #23
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Looking for my right leg muscles.
    My Bikes
    2000 Cannondale CAAD3 Triple 105/Ultegra
    Posts
    1,201
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Too much water makes me . Found that out last year. I was drinking 3+ 32 oz cups of water at work alone, not counting morning, workout, and post-workout.
    EOL Ra Ra F
    Specialized S-Works SL2
    10 lbs and 6% to go!

  24. #24
    slow up hills kudude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Seattle, WA
    My Bikes
    Giant TCR, Redline CX, Ritchey Breakaway, Spec S-works epic
    Posts
    4,931
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Enthalpic View Post
    Life is easiest when you judge a behavior by whether or not you do it.

    Since you are such an awesome dude, and you ate a doughnut, doughnuts are awesome and everyone should eat them. Just don’t ever question your awesomeness, or compare your actions to those who might be more awesome, or your universe will implode.
    wut





    I just ate a doughnut, and liked it. I don't quite see where you're getting all that crazy mumbo jumbo.
    Quote Originally Posted by mr_tom View Post
    Cycling isn't a sport. It's more like a really, really expensive eating disorder.

  25. #25
    Senior Member Brian Ratliff's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    Near Portland, OR
    My Bikes
    Three road bikes. Two track bikes.
    Posts
    9,760
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by kudude View Post
    wut





    I just ate a doughnut, and liked it. I don't quite see where you're getting all that crazy mumbo jumbo.
    He's been on a strict "no donut" diet and he's really, really jealous of you right now for enjoying your donut.

    Cat 2 Track, Cat 3 Road.
    "If you’re new enough [to racing] that you would ask such question, then i would hazard a guess that if you just made up a workout that sounded hard to do, and did it, you’d probably get faster." --the tiniest sprinter

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •