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    Death at Qatar

    This is tragic news:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/othe...ng/7871736.stm

    "Belgian cyclist Frederiek Nolf has died in his sleep only hours after riding the fourth stage of the Tour of Qatar.

    The 21-year-old was a member of the Topsport Vlaanderen-Mercator team, which has now pulled out of the event.

    "Our thoughts are with Frederiek's family, his girlfriend and his mates," said a team statement.

    As a mark of respect, Thursday's fifth stage has been shortened to 40km and neutralised, meaning that it will not be contested by the riders.

    British cyclists Mark Cavendish, Bradley Wiggins, Roger Hammond and Ben Swift are among the riders involved in the tour, which finishes on 6 February.


    Seventeen teams have taken part in the six-day race.
    Nolf turned professional in 2008 and the Tour of Qatar was his first race of the new season. He finished 90th in Wednesday's 141-kilometre stage four to Madinat Al Shamal, which Cavendish won.

    The cause of death is not yet known, but team manager Christophe Sercu said he was not aware of Nolf having any health problems.

    The team has now quit the Qatar tour and returned to Belgium.

    The last professional rider to die during a race was France's Fabrice Salancon, who passed away in his sleep at the age of 23 during the Tour of Germany in 2003."
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    People get their cycling news from the strangest sources.
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    Heart attack and I'm going out on a HUGE limb by saying it was drug related.

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    Nice one, cat4ever. I'm sure his family will like to hear that.

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    I'm betting they don't read this forum.

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    btw, happy birthday Red Buttons!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cat4ever View Post
    Heart attack and I'm going out on a HUGE limb by saying it was drug related.
    Well if he had heart issues. Then that could have been what took him. And it doesn't necessarily have to be coupled with drugs of any kind. He could have had warning signs popping up but ignoring them because, well, he's fit.

    You don't think of heart related problems when you're in great shape and quite competitive. That's one of the first things a doctor will tell you: "You need to get in better shape. Walk. Eat right. Sleep better. Blah ... blah ... blah." But when you're in top physical form, you think it's something else.

    Maybe I over reached.
    Maybe it's nerves.
    Maybe it's something I ate.
    I could be catching a bug.
    Etc.

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    Right and without any evidence that's as likely as it being drug related. Idle speculation in any form is idle speculation.

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    True. But I'm not going to throw a stone.

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    People dying sucks. You people in good shape dying sucks. Cyclists dying sucks. Family members dying sucks.

    That is all.

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    We're living in lala land if the immediate thinking is that it is NOT drug related. How many pro cyclists just die in their sleep when it's not drug related? It's going to be a heart attack, most likely from blood thickening due to too many RBC's from EPO. Combine thickened blood with a (probable, due to fitness) low resting heart rate and blood isn't going to the heart. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cat4ever View Post
    Heart attack and I'm going out on a HUGE limb by saying it was drug related.
    I think aliens killed him

    *have as much proof that happened as he took drugs*
    Please remember that all statements unless quoted, are strictly my opinion of what happened. That there are as many opinions as there are spectators attending. I just choose to publish mine on this forum. And would NEVER intend to purposely hurt or discredit any other cyclist.... With that said... HTFU!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cat4ever View Post
    We're living in lala land if the immediate thinking is that it is NOT drug related. How many pro cyclists just die in their sleep when it's not drug related?
    Can't answer that, but on campus we had a girl die in her sleep recently for no reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcheung View Post
    Can't answer that, but on campus we had a girl die in her sleep recently for no reason.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28813073/
    People don't die "for no reason." Sometimes it's just harder to find the reason.

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    Jeeze. I'm still living with a tad bit of fear every day. Even after the Cardiologist cleared me to train and race. There's still that nagging question. Why was the first EKG different from the rest? Did he miss something?

    After every tough training session I always stand quietly to listen to my heart. And feel if it's doing anything odd like before. Or if there's an odd sensation and feeling like before.

    This news makes me think again.

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    I read about this before heading to class today and it just happens that the lecture was on calcium signaling in heart and skeletal muscle. People could have defects in these pathways that never materialize into anything physical until they die from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cat4ever View Post
    We're living in lala land if the immediate thinking is that it is NOT drug related. How many pro cyclists just die in their sleep when it's not drug related? It's going to be a heart attack, most likely from blood thickening due to too many RBC's from EPO. Combine thickened blood with a (probable, due to fitness) low resting heart rate and blood isn't going to the heart. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
    Youre wrong.. thats a stroke not a heart attack

    lol
    Please remember that all statements unless quoted, are strictly my opinion of what happened. That there are as many opinions as there are spectators attending. I just choose to publish mine on this forum. And would NEVER intend to purposely hurt or discredit any other cyclist.... With that said... HTFU!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfrogge View Post
    Youre wrong.. thats a stroke not a heart attack

    lol
    You need to research your definition of 'stroke.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by rankin116 View Post
    I read about this before heading to class today and it just happens that the lecture was on calcium signaling in heart and skeletal muscle. People could have defects in these pathways that never materialize into anything physical until they die from it.
    I think you missed the memo. Everything bad that happens in cycling is because of drugs.






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    I assume that all great answers have come from jumping to conclusions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsteinb View Post
    Right and without any evidence that's as likely as it being drug related. Idle speculation in any form is idle speculation.
    Ah, but if it weren't for idle speculation, half the posts in BF would not exist.

    So I'll add mine. The first thing I though of was blood doping. Too many red blood cells makes the blood thick, add dehydration from the stage effort and you have the perfect conditions for death in your sleep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cat4ever View Post
    We're living in lala land if the immediate thinking is that it is NOT drug related. How many pro cyclists just die in their sleep when it's not drug related? It's going to be a heart attack, most likely from blood thickening due to too many RBC's from EPO. Combine thickened blood with a (probable, due to fitness) low resting heart rate and blood isn't going to the heart. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by substructure View Post
    Jeeze. I'm still living with a tad bit of fear every day. Even after the Cardiologist cleared me to train and race. There's still that nagging question. Why was the first EKG different from the rest? Did he miss something?

    After every tough training session I always stand quietly to listen to my heart. And feel if it's doing anything odd like before. Or if there's an odd sensation and feeling like before.

    This news makes me think again.
    Honestly, you were the first thing I thought of when I read this... Heart issues are heart issues. I don't think it's reasonable to assume that it has to be, or is even necessarily likely to be, because of drug use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by umd View Post
    Honestly, you were the first thing I thought of when I read this... Heart issues are heart issues. I don't think it's reasonable to assume that it has to be, or is even necessarily likely to be, because of drug use.
    You say this as if you’re sure subby didn’t take any “supplements.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enthalpic View Post
    You say this as if you’re sure subby didn’t take any “supplements.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by EventServices View Post
    I assume that all great answers have come from jumping to conclusions.
    Hey, if enough posters jump to enough plausible but unsupported conclusions, one of them will probably be right ...

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