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    Pointless question, but let's discuss...

    Does your racing district favor W/kg type guys, or W/CdA type guys?

    I've never done a race with enough climbing to really bring out the best of the W/kg crowd. That's not to say they don't exist in MABRA/D-20, but I've never been in one. Everything here is either flat or rolling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcheung View Post
    Does your racing district favor W/kg type guys, or W/CdA type guys?

    I've never done a race with enough climbing to really bring out the best of the W/kg crowd. That's not to say they don't exist in MABRA/D-20, but I've never been in one. Everything here is either flat or rolling.
    norcal is more w/kg and socal is more w/cda IMO.

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    W/CdA.

    Generally speaking, though, the guys winning races around here are doing pretty well in both categories. Occasionally a person I'd consider "pudgy" wins a 3s race, but there ain't too many fatties in the 1s/2s, and aren't any winning bike races.
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    w/CdA by far
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    I know what W/kg is, but what is W/CdA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pungee View Post
    I know what W/kg is, but what is W/CdA?
    Watts per (coefficient of drag * Area)

    So far I've only raced two races this season, and they were both speedway races, so that's obviously CdA. When we get into the college season and start going to places like Appalachian and VT and WVU, I'm gonna suffer because I think those are more W/kg places.
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    Hmmm, hard to say. New England races tend to have lots of hills, but they tend to be rollers and short, punchy climbs rather than long grinds - major exceptions are some of the races in VT and NH, maybe ME too. Guys with really good long-duration power output and low weight often don't get hills long enough to create the separation they want. When they do, it's utter carnage; Dartmouth College has a truly epic RR course in Hanover, NH and riders straggle in for many minutes at the end of each race.

    It's not quite NE, but Battenkill is a good example of the kind of "hilly" terrain that we get around here, albeit on the extreme side of things. I don't think that race is typically being won by pure W/kg guys, in spite of some truly outrageous grades. Being able to put out a lot of power for a short duration to get over the hill, recover and do it again (while still being fast between climbs) is what most races with climbing in them around here require.

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    I don't know enough of the terminology, but I think I understand the question.

    I live in the flatlands and do pretty well in my cat. I've seen bigger guys do well, too. I am lean but not skinny.
    I have a place in Colorado, and so race quite a bit in the Rockies, where I do far less well. We hit a climb, and I watch guys pull away from me.

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    W/Cda. Wisconsin is hella flat and at 6'3" I got the short end of that stick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frunkin View Post
    W/Cda. Wisconsin is hella flat and at 6'3" I got the short end of that stick.
    I have a teammate who took off from the ***, in a 1/2/3 crit last year. He's 6'4", 170. I was in the chase, not working, and we eventually caught him. People started skipping turns, he took off again. Won by 30".

    Long legs = power. 400w for an hour, in his case, so he isn't doing too badly in w/kg either...
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    I'd say it is a pretty good mix around here. Most of the stage races are pretty mountainous favoring the W/kg guys, road races are a mix of hills and flats, and the weeknight circuit races, crits and track are there for the W/CdA and the pure W guys.

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    I live in Florida. Aside from two or three races a year, this place is made for power.

    One of the fastest guys in this state has got to be pushing 200#'s. The guy's ripped and huge.
    Putting the Duh in Floriduh.

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    NY/NJ. Longest climbs around here might be in the 15 minute range. Most racing does not incorporate anything near even that. Definitely W/CdA.

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    w/racing smarts

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDcatV View Post
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    stop making me feel incompetent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kensuf View Post
    I live in Florida. Aside from two or three races a year, this place is made for power.

    One of the fastest guys in this state has got to be pushing 200#'s. The guy's ripped and huge.

    And even then, the climbs are only a minute or two, so raw power and sprinting tactics rule.
    We have numerous examples of 190+ pound P12 winners down here, including moi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcheung View Post
    stop making me feel incompetent.
    my deficiencies with the numerator mean I've gotta focus on the denominator

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    W/tf.

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    Crits around here are all about huge wattage. Road races are a mixed bag. Even though there are mountains around here, the road races are held predominantly in the valley area with rollers of not more than 5mins of climbing. To satisfy the strictly w/kg folks there are periodic hill climbing competitions where they can earn upgrade points.

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    Both. We have races with 45-50 minute finishing climbs and others that have lots of rollers that are not long enough to hurt the big boys too badly. I'm still looking for a race that favors ice cream/watt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDcatV View Post
    w/racing smarts
    Smarts don't help if you just can't keep pace up a long climb...

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    You doing the Lost River Classic this summer? That should be more of a W/kg type loop, even though it doesn't go up the *big* climb (probably because the going down part would kill some people, at least in the lower categories).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duke of Kent View Post
    I have a teammate who took off from the ***, in a 1/2/3 crit last year. He's 6'4", 170. I was in the chase, not working, and we eventually caught him. People started skipping turns, he took off again. Won by 30".

    Long legs = power. 400w for an hour, in his case, so he isn't doing too badly in w/kg either...
    I've been told. But sitting in a field for 5'8 to 6' tall guys I'm still going to be catching some wind. And 5.1 w/kg for your teammate is no joke either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frunkin View Post
    I've been told. But sitting in a field for 5'8 to 6' tall guys I'm still going to be catching some wind. And 5.1 w/kg for your teammate is no joke either.
    We have several people like that. If you raced in the MWCCC this past year, I'm sure you know him. You go to Madison, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duke of Kent View Post
    We have several people like that. If you raced in the MWCCC this past year, I'm sure you know him. You go to Madison, right?
    Milwaukee. And I'm a freshman, but I'll be racing A's. And the only tall guy I know is Bennett VanDergeneuten(?) from Inferno/ ex. Marion.

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