View Poll Results: Which rider has had more hype than results?
Tom Danielson
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76.92%
George Hincapie
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So whose hype:results ratio is greater?
03-03-09, 09:51 PM
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Yes, but only with his recent performance in stage races. He's a great classics racer. Also, unlike TD, he had the results to justify the hype for a while.
03-03-09, 10:08 PM
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I think one big reason that Cunego is still talked up as a GT favorite is that everyone keeps asking themselves, "Yeah, he hasn't pulled it off in years, but do you really win the Giro as a fluke?? It is a bit hard to believe, but Cunego seems to have managed it. Maybe he'll get consistent enough to win another Giro as his career goes on, but the Tour? No. Way.
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Cunego was hyped (and talked himself) of competing with Armstrong. Every year he's in the conversation about a grand tour win, and every year he's double figures back.
His Giro win was due to a weak field and that he was given a Pereiro-like leash because of Simoni being considered the real threat. I would consider him a very good classics rider but not great. By magazine covers and press inches, he destroys TD in hype.
George is a hard call. Unlucky rider who only the USA idiots ever considered a grand tour threat. Sadly one of those idiots was GH himself. TD is to Amercia what Iban Mayo is to Spain.
Boonen deserves his press. He could quit today and still be discussed among the great classics riders.
Bettini was hugely underappreciated, at least in the anglo press. He gets my inverse award.
His Giro win was due to a weak field and that he was given a Pereiro-like leash because of Simoni being considered the real threat. I would consider him a very good classics rider but not great. By magazine covers and press inches, he destroys TD in hype.
George is a hard call. Unlucky rider who only the USA idiots ever considered a grand tour threat. Sadly one of those idiots was GH himself. TD is to Amercia what Iban Mayo is to Spain.
Boonen deserves his press. He could quit today and still be discussed among the great classics riders.
Bettini was hugely underappreciated, at least in the anglo press. He gets my inverse award.
03-03-09, 11:34 PM
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I guess the difference between hype and Danielson and Hincapie is that I've never once truly heard Hincapie hype himself. Sometimes he's confident, but not the sort of arrogance and contumely I'm accustomed to from Danielson. Danielson has mellowed somewhat over the years, and has perhaps come to realise his true potential. But overall I still have the feeling that Danielson is reluctant to ride for someone else's chances, which is something that George could never be accused of. In fact, I don't think you could pick two more different riders to compare, on any basis.
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03-04-09, 10:13 AM
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03-04-09, 10:25 AM
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03-04-09, 12:39 PM
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How 'bout Pantani? Outside of a few spectacular months when he was doped to the gills and the Ventoux incident, that dude never did anything other than crash, party, and complain. On the hype side, he had a talk show, sang and rapped a little bit, and met the pope.
03-04-09, 12:52 PM
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Very strongly disagree. Pantani won the giro and tour in the same year, and was without peer as a climber. Awesome to watch when he attacked, awesome.
03-04-09, 12:58 PM
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Tour de France results
1994: 3rd overall; 2nd mountains classification; 1st young rider classification (Maillot blanc)
1995: 13th overall; 1st young rider classification (Maillot blanc); Stage 10 and 14 wins
1997: 3rd overall; Stage 13 and 15 wins
1998: 1st overall (maillot jaune); 7 days in maillot jaune; 2nd mountains classification; Stage 11 and 15 wins
2000: Stage 12 and 15 wins
[edit] Giro d'Italia results
1994: 2nd overall; 2nd young rider classification; 3rd mountains classification; Stage 14 and 15 wins
1998: 1st overall (maglia rosa); 1st mountains classification (maglia verde); Stage 14 and 19 wins
1999: Stage 8, 15, 19 and 20 wins
2000: 28th overall
2003: 14th overall
[edit] Other stage races and classics
UCI Road World Championships Road Race (1995): 3rd (Bronze Medal)
Vuelta a Murcia (1999): 1st overall
Tour de Suisse (1995): Stage 9 win
Setmana Catalana (1999): Stage 2 win
Vuelta a Murcia (1998): 3rd overall; Stage 4a win
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03-04-09, 01:09 PM
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George has hype?? I just hear people saying he's getting old and needs a result..
how bout Ivan Basso?? i'm betting he doesn't score anything without the magic sauce.
how bout Ivan Basso?? i'm betting he doesn't score anything without the magic sauce.
03-04-09, 01:41 PM
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call me a cynic, but I'm betting his results all came against others who were dabbling with the same magic sauce.
03-04-09, 02:00 PM
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^ enlighten us.
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I'll betcha a case of Guiness that he finishes in front of TD.
03-04-09, 03:29 PM
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I agree. Basso was good against a doped Ulrich and most probably doped Armstrong. Although we will never see the "Supernatural" Basso of the Giro I think he'll be competitive this year. A top five is not out of the question.
I'll betcha a case of Guiness that he finishes in front of TD.
I'll betcha a case of Guiness that he finishes in front of TD.
03-04-09, 04:52 PM
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I'm guessing, but I'd expect he is considered to be a major pain in the arse the way he is constantly on the attack. Nobody likes guys who go up the road in early in stages during the third week of the Tour.
An example of how annoyed riders can get over this style of racing was when the MG-GB team rode all out one year when they heard Jacky Durand (a noted constant long break specialist) was out the back early in a stage of the Tour during the second week. His constant attacks annoyed them so much they rode hard and put him away to ensure he missed the time limit.
An example of how annoyed riders can get over this style of racing was when the MG-GB team rode all out one year when they heard Jacky Durand (a noted constant long break specialist) was out the back early in a stage of the Tour during the second week. His constant attacks annoyed them so much they rode hard and put him away to ensure he missed the time limit.
