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Old 03-08-09, 04:07 PM   #1
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Would you race with a broken spoke?

Broke a spoke on the third climb up river falls and the race had no wheel truck. The wheel has 32 spokes. Would yall have pulled the spoke out and kept racing or called it a day?

I grabbed another wheel and did a few more laps on my own, but dnf'ed.
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Knowingly? No fraking way.
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Grabbed a wheel from where?
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No way in the world. Not ever

Edited - I would drop out if I broke one during.
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Am I missing something? 32 spoke conventionally spoked wheel; you break one spoke,and its in true enough to clear the pads with the QR open.

In that scenario my thought process is do I risk the time of the wheel change, or go with with the wheel with the broken spoke.

DNF is not in my thought process at this point.

Are you guys saying that the risk of the wheel catastrophically fialing is sufficient it poses a safety risk?
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How did you do, my man? Like that little climb?
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^ Ok, and applying facts to the law, how much more likely is it for a conventionally spoked, 32 spoke wheel, doen one spoke to suffer catastrophic failure, and thereby cause an accident than the same wheel with all 32 spokes intact.

If you did break another spoke, at most its likely to quit rolling without rubbing the stays.

I've broken a single spoke ridden home,and nevr had a problem. I've seen lots of people break spokes and keep riding and never had a problem.

I would go as far as wager dollars to doughnuts tha the risk of a catastrophic accident is higer with various esoteric wheels (such as Mavics with CF spokes) than it is with a conventionally spoked wheel down one spoke.
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31 spokes vs 32 spokes, not a big deal unless you're a clydesdale.

I'd get the spoke out so it's not damaging anything, open the brake caliper and keep goin.
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id probaly try to keep going.....at least until I eventually broke another spoke.....which is bound to happen with the un balanced tension.
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I broke the spoke at the top of the climb the fourth time up (I thought it was the third, but my wattage spikes say differently). It just happened to be at the start/finish line so I walked over to my car and picked up my spare wheel--they didn't have a wheel truck.

I was fine up the climbs. They weren't long enough to hurt me and I was staying at the front, 4 or 5 back. The 3s split up into two groups about 15 seconds or so apart after all the rest were whittled down. My file said I hadn't done any real hard work, so I was really bummed that I had to dnf. I was feeling good.

There will be other races.
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Why would you bother risking it unless it was a race that you were doing really well in and it would effect your upgrading or something?

There are plenty of things that could be an issue...

I mean... any races where this would have an effect, the rider would have a team car and swap a wheel.
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Why would you bother risking it ...

I repeat again anybody have any data, hell any anecdotes, to support a claim that there is substantial risk of catastrophic failure riding a 32 spoke wheel down one spoke?

And the answer to why you would press on, 1) try to win the race, 2) finish what you started.

I'm willing to be educated here, but in my experience I have just not found one broke spoke on a conventional wheel to be the harbinger of immediate catastraphocic failure.
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My god roadies are effing pansies.

If you stopped racing in a mtb race because of one broken spoke you would get laughed straight out of the parking lot afterwards.
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We are talking about one spoke, right?
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Am I missing something? 32 spoke conventionally spoked wheel; you break one spoke,and its in true enough to clear the pads with the QR open.

In that scenario my thought process is do I risk the time of the wheel change, or go with with the wheel with the broken spoke.

DNF is not in my thought process at this point.

Are you guys saying that the risk of the wheel catastrophically fialing is sufficient it poses a safety risk?
+1 They're a bunch of wussies. Open the brake pads & keep going. I've done it before, no big deal. I wouldn't even stop pedaling if the spoke stayed in place and wasn't causing any problems. I've usually run 3x 32 spoke wheels, so the broken spoke is often held in place by the others.
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In my former brief racing career I was doing a small (ie. tiny) road race out of Floyd, NM with zero support vehicles. I ended up in the "lead group" of myself and a husband-wife pair from Roswell with about 40 miles to go, and I broke a spoke. I opened up the QR and the wheel just barely cleared without rubbing. The couple spent the rest of the race trying to psych me out by saying things like "wow, that wheel sure is wobbling" and "that must really be slowing you down". I kept laughing it off, then spanked them both in the sprint. Oh, the good old days.
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Maybe I'm missing something, but I have finished a race on a 31 hole spoked wheel. I sat in and took it easy for the last 10-12 flat miles, but I finished on it with no problem.

Hell I had to ride a set of 24 hole wheels on a group ride one time and blew a spoke. I opened the calipers and ride the 20 miles back to the car(by myself) on 23 spokes. And I'm not a small guy by any means. I wouldn't have done it with 23 spokes in a race because it was pretty out of true. 31 spokes, if it rolled decently, I'd attempt to keep going.
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I agree with merlin, Homebrew, ZeCanon: what a bunch of wimps. It's a 32 spoke wheel! Wrap the broken spoke around another if it's clanging around, otherwise just open the QR and keep going. Honestly. The whole POINT of 32 spoke wheels is that they are still rideable if you break one.
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If 1 spoke is broke then 5 more are weak.

It's silly that people are willing to risk others safety by using a machine that isn't in it's best maintainable condition just so they can finish.
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I can' imagine a 32 spoked wheel would be much of a problem negative one spoke, but you also have to consider how hard you have to push your equipment to win a race. But I still say 31 spokes would be enough for about anything.
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You most likely would have been just fine. Breaking 1 spoke on a 32 wheel doesn't do much, and most likely the wheel would still be true enough to run.

That said I would have DNF'd right then and there.....but that's because I look for any excuse to stop.
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If 1 spoke is broke then 5 more are weak.

It's silly that people are willing to risk others safety by using a machine that isn't in it's best maintainable condition just so they can finish.
Is it silly that people race Crash 5? Because last time I checked, half the people out there are risks to other people's safety, even with a fully functional bike. People's experience have shown that a broken spoke in a 32 spoke wheel is a small risk, and if you're really worried about small risks hurting you, why even race? By your argument, people should just stop racing when they get tired, since bike handling becomes harder and people might get hurt more.

Would I be willing to risk a 2% increase in my chances of getting hurt to finish a race? Why not, I do it all the time.
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In general there seems to be an overall lack of mechanical common sense. It exists in all areas of these bike threads. If something is not 100% perfect per manufacturers specs, then the world will come to an end. Look at the alarmist posts in threads about using a 130 mm hub in a 126 mm frame !
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Is it silly that people race Crash 5? Because last time I checked, half the people out there are risks to other people's safety, even with a fully functional bike.
We already know about all the risks you mentioned here, before we start the race, and could calculate them before we started the race.

I'd rather be able to have faith that my competitors are not trying to race bikes that have failing components however, wouldn't you?
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