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    How long before you see form improve?

    Suppose you have a good base of fitness, and you have your weekly training routine down packed... etc..

    How long after a BT workout / or hard block of training days do you notice your form improve?

    Is it something like a few days, a few weeks, or after / during the recovery week that you feel your form spike up to max?

    just wondering.
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    down pat, not down packed. I don't know.

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    What's a BT workout?

    It depends on each person as well as the system you are targeting, but I've heard 3 weeks thrown around a lot.

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    When I add additional workload stress or focus on one particular area(climbing-hill repeats, vo2 max - 3 to 5 min intervals, sprinting) It normally takes 2 weeks before I notice anything different on either group rides or Tuesday nighters. I either find myself not as taxed after a climb I've done many times before, not getting shelled or able to keep up where before I would be in a "spot of bother" or being competitive in the city limit sign sprints.

    That said, people, especially you youngin's, adapt differently. Hope this helps some.
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    depends.

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    When I start a new phase of training, I generally see associated measurable improvements in ~3 weeks.

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    2-3 weeks power starts increasing rapidly. 4-5 weeks repeatability starts coming along as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by umd View Post
    What's a BT workout?

    It depends on each person as well as the system you are targeting, but I've heard 3 weeks thrown around a lot.
    BT = Breakthrough.

    It is a Friel term.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fordfasterr View Post
    BT = Breakthrough.

    It is a Friel term.
    What makes a workout a breakthrough workout?
    Please remember that all statements unless quoted, are strictly my opinion of what happened. That there are as many opinions as there are spectators attending. I just choose to publish mine on this forum. And would NEVER intend to purposely hurt or discredit any other cyclist.... With that said... HTFU!

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    Never. How about friggin never.

    Does that work for you? Is that inspiring? Does that motivate you even more to prove me wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfrogge View Post
    What makes a workout a breakthrough workout?
    I think it is supposed to be one of those days where you push yourself a lot harder than usual !!


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    Never. How about friggin never.

    Does that work for you? Is that inspiring? Does that motivate you even more to prove me wrong?
    not really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fordfasterr View Post
    I think it is supposed to be one of those days where you push yourself a lot harder than usual !!

    I push myself to near puke levels twice a week..... Cant go any harder than that... Am I doing it wrong? Often wondered if I have been attacking this sport too hard and that being the cause of my issues. *really*
    Please remember that all statements unless quoted, are strictly my opinion of what happened. That there are as many opinions as there are spectators attending. I just choose to publish mine on this forum. And would NEVER intend to purposely hurt or discredit any other cyclist.... With that said... HTFU!

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    Don't you post on FGF?

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    for the first 2 months seems like little improvement, then after about 1500 miles of riding which is about 8 weeks...I start see big improvment, it is important not to overdo and get burned out or injured

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfrogge View Post
    I push myself to near puke levels twice a week..... Cant go any harder than that... Am I doing it wrong? Often wondered if I have been attacking this sport too hard and that being the cause of my issues. *really*
    I have had conversations with a couple of local racers that I really respect, lately They both mentioned not over doing our local Tues World Championships so they can recover to do the Wed. and Thurs. workouts.

    I dunno, sounds reasonable to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bantam View Post
    Don't you post on FGF?

    Follow your plan for a few months and see how long it takes you.


    Yes I do, the one and only =)

    You are right about following my plan, I won't be changing it.

    I just wanted some answers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wfrogge View Post
    What makes a workout a breakthrough workout?
    In Friel's terms a breakthrough workout is a workout that targets a specific adaptation. So if you expect your next event to have lots of 3 minute hills, you do 3 minute intervals. He marks them as "BT" so you know which workouts are key and which ones are recovery or skill or "less important" than the others. Se la vie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by currand View Post
    In Friel's terms a breakthrough workout is a workout that targets a specific adaptation. So if you expect your next event to have lots of 3 minute hills, you do 3 minute intervals. He marks them as "BT" so you know which workouts are key and which ones are recovery or skill or "less important" than the others. C'est la vie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    Never. How about friggin never.

    Does that work for you? Is that inspiring? Does that motivate you even more to prove me wrong?
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    overnight, for me. it's just a very small incremental improvement.

    very, very small.
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    Not fast enough?

    I've seen good gains in my anaerobic department after 2-3 weeks of concentrated training, FTP is hazy because it's difficult to measure precisely and I'm only now getting into 2x20's.
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    I guess I don't understand the question. If my form isn't better for a given workout the next time I hop on the bike then I either do Z2 or pack it up and go home. When you guys say three weeks is that referring to the big gains made during a rest week?

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